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Old 07-02-2016, 10:27 AM   #41
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My lineup prediction is close to the one listed. But not sure about hunter on 2nd line. Who is kevin with Hamilton? Is that Jyri? I would say Wideman has to be 2nd pairing by deadline to keep his trade value up.
To trade Wideman you need to retain half his salary and add a draft pick. Calgarys power play and winning percentage improved substantially after he was first suspended then hurt. He has no speed and no agility. I will be very disappointed as a season ticket holder if he is in the starting lineup.
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Old 07-02-2016, 11:32 AM   #42
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Wow lots of high expectations on the flames this year, if we get the late surge like we did a couple years ago we will get in the playoffs but we need much of our youth to have big development this year, we have lots of young guys. Be interesting to see how GG and nuture and grow them and push them. huge expectations a little scary
Not really. The Flames need solid goaltending which is what sunk them last year, and there is every reason to believe they will get it with Elliot and Johnson. They shouldn't have much trouble maintaining better than average scoring, and with dramatically improved goaltending they are bound for a big improvement in the standings.
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Amazing what a fluke year does, Thornton and Marleau had great years but are 37 years old, can they do it again?, will 36 year old Joel Ward have another career year? Can Burns get another 75pts playing rover? Answer to all is probably a big NO!

San Jose will not win the pacific, they might not even make the playoffs.
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I just don't see Edmonton ahead of Arizona.
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Old 07-02-2016, 04:28 PM   #46
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Sharks are a bubble team, the Oilers are in the bottom two, and the Flames are in the top three.

Marleau and Thornton are grey beards but that team just went to the finals. Good youngsters, good D, legit goaltending.

Pacific

1.) LA - Loss of Lucic hurts a little bit still like their top 6, top 4 and goaltending.

2.) Calgary - Still need that legit top line RW, but goaltending shored up, best top 3 D in the league and good young forwards.

3.) San Jose - See above.

4.) Anaheim - loss of Boudreau will hurt. Getzlaf/Perry still great but falls off from there. D is always a strength but not sold on Gibson.

5.) Arizona - will be surprising how good they are but still not a playoff team. Like their young forwards, D is alright (OEL is a stud), Smith runs hot and cold.

6.) Vancouver - top line will be fine, garbage after that. D leaves lots to be desired and Miller is trending down.

7.) Edmonton - Because Oilers. That D is barftackular.

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1.) Dallas - 2 of the best youngsters in the game, quality secondary scoring, underrated D. Could still use an elite 'tender.

2.) Chicago - Because Chicago. Consistent Cup contenders

3.) Nashville - Good trade for PK, Rinne still upper tier, Forsberg, Johansen, etc.

4.) St. Louis - Loss of Backes/Brouwer hurts a bit (like reaquisition of Perron), not completely sold on Allen, D regressing.

5.) Winnipeg - not confident in their forwards, D is better than average but Pavalec is nothing special.

6.) Minnesota - Just a feeling they take a big step back this year.

7.) Colorado - Sakic and Roy are terrible. Varlamov is streaky, D is not great (will be worse if they lose Barrie), forwards are good though.
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Old 07-02-2016, 04:30 PM   #47
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West

Pacific

1. Sharks 99 points (Really like their team, solid from top to bottom. Very balanced)
2. Calgary 97 points (Goaltending was the major need, just need some internal growth)
3. Anaheim 96 points (Where are the goals going to come from? Is Gibson ready?)
4. Edmonton 88 points (Going to surprise and squeak in. 1st round fodder though)
5. Los Angeles 87 points (On the decline, here's a team about to pay for past success)
6. Arizona 77 points (Still not ready. Too yound, D not good enough, questionable G's)
7. Vancouver 67 points (Garbage heap. It might be a decade before they are relevant)


Central

1. Nashville 107 points (Really like this team, Poile has been making all the right moves)
2. Dallas 102 points (A lot to like about this team, they could win the cup next year)
3. Chicago 95 points (Holding steady but feeling the erosion of talent and cap pinch)
4. Minnesota 91 points (Like the addition of Staal. Team is very average overall though)
5. St. Louis 87 points (Will shockingly miss after Allen falters. Too may key players lost)
6. Winnipeg 86 points (Future is bright but they aren't ready yet)
7. Colorado 74 points (How not to build a team)

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Metro

1. Washington 110 points (Another Presidents' trophy, team is still together)
2. Pittsburgh 98 points (Not as dominant as their run suggests)
3. Philadelphia 93 points (Will rocket up the standings as their young D improves)
4. Islanders 92 points (Ladd isn't as good as Okposo, but I think they are still a PO team)
5. Rangers 89 points (Years of spending futures and bad contracts is catching up)
6. New Jersey 86 points (Hall was a coup but D has been weakened)
7. Columbus 80 points (Bleh.Is there a more mediocre yet overpaid team in the league?)
8. Carolina 78 points (Things will start to improve as their bounty of young D does)


Atlantic

1. Tampa Bay 105 points (How to build a great team. I think they win the cup next year)
2. Florida 101 points (Great D, Great F, Good G... something still feels off to me)
3. Buffalo 95 points (Going to be a powerhouse for years, this is just the beginning)
4. Montreal 88 points (Without Price, they are nothing. They should rebuild around him)
5. Detroit 87 points (Goodbye playoff streak. I think Neisen gets 65 points though)
6. Toronto 82 points (Incremental improvements. Will be in playoffs by 18/19)
7. Boston 79 points (Total dysfunction. There are still some goodf peices here though)
8. Ottawa 77 points (What are they trying to do? Colorado East as far as I'm concerned)
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Send him back. Let him be the man in London next year. Now if he forces his way onto the team then sure, otherwise if he's just ok, not bad in training camp then let him go back.

Plus I want to see Shinkaruk being given the opportunity to succeed, lotsa skill and determination in that boy too.
Honest question: how many 18 year old have been impact players for their teams? Can't think of any outside of Crosby and McDavid
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I'm just going to do the pacific for now

LA - Still the most complete team in the Pacific with fantastic goaltending.
Anaheim - I still think that they have a really complete team with a tremendous compliment of skill in toughness
CGY - I like the goaltending and the blueline, the forwards should be able to score. The things that killed this team last year, special teams and goaltending should be way better due to new coaching and personal.
SJ - Aging quickly and this is probably the last kick at the game before a rebuild happens
Arizona - have some good young talent and one of the best defensemen in the game right now. Mike Smith bounces back and their coach makes the team buy into his system
Edmonton - I Think they got better, but Lucic is a drop from Hall, Larsson isn't a great 1st pairing option and will probably feel the loss of Greene as a partner. This team is still thin and any injuries will kill this team. If anything is going to regress this year its Talbot who was in god mode last year. Mark my words here, Chia might not survive to next seasons training camp if the Oilers don't make the playoffs.
Vancouver - A disaster of a team, and this is probably it for the Sedins. This is a team that should rebuild because a lot of their youth is decidedly second tier. Welcome to the house that Edmonton built Vancouver.
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I find it interesting that the Flames have been picked to be a solid playoff team and the Jets are picked to be a solid non-playoff team.

The Flames and jets have been lock-step for the last 3 years and this is the year where the Flames pull away. Why?


Gaudreau-Monahan-Brouwer / Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Shinkaruk-Backlund-Frolik / Laine-Little-Stafford
Tkachuk-Bennett-Chaisson / Connor-Lowry-Perrault
Bouma-Stajan-Hathaway / Burmistrov – Matthias- Armia
Ferland-Jankowski-Poirier/ Dano-Copp-Petan

Likelihood of Tkachuk /Shinkaruk/Jankowski in the game 10 lineup very low as is Connor and Petan

last year combined stats from the #1 lines Flames 75 goals 180 pts +/- 0 Jets 69 goals 176 pts +27


Gio-Brodie / Byfuglien - Trouba
Wideman- Hamilton / Enstrom-Myers
Jokipakka-Engelland / Chiarot-Strait
Kulak-Wotherspoon / Stuart-Morrissey

Elliot-Johnson/ Hellebuyck-Pavlec-Hutchinson
Where do you think the Flames have the huge advantage?

Are the Jets going to lose Trouba for 4 1st round picks and just move Stuart or Morrissey up the line-up?
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Old 07-03-2016, 10:13 AM   #51
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I find it interesting that the Flames have been picked to be a solid playoff team and the Jets are picked to be a solid non-playoff team.

The Flames and jets have been lock-step for the last 3 years and this is the year where the Flames pull away. Why?


Gaudreau-Monahan-Brouwer / Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Shinkaruk-Backlund-Frolik / Laine-Little-Stafford
Tkachuk-Bennett-Chaisson / Connor-Lowry-Perrault
Bouma-Stajan-Hathaway / Burmistrov – Matthias- Armia
Ferland-Jankowski-Poirier/ Dano-Copp-Petan

Likelihood of Tkachuk /Shinkaruk/Jankowski in the game 10 lineup very low as is Connor and Petan

last year combined stats from the #1 lines Flames 75 goals 180 pts +/- 0 Jets 69 goals 176 pts +27


Gio-Brodie / Byfuglien - Trouba
Wideman- Hamilton / Enstrom-Myers
Jokipakka-Engelland / Chiarot-Strait
Kulak-Wotherspoon / Stuart-Morrissey

Elliot-Johnson/ Hellebuyck-Pavlec-Hutchinson
Where do you think the Flames have the huge advantage?

Are the Jets going to lose Trouba for 4 1st round picks and just move Stuart or Morrissey up the line-up?
Just my opinion, but I've always thought the Jets had the most overrated prospects in the league. Outside of Laine I think it's just a bunch of mediocre players.
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Old 07-03-2016, 10:13 AM   #52
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Fair points, Ricardo.
Jets play in a tougher division, so that might hurt them a bit. But I agree that there isn't much between the two rosters and I think it goes to show how close the league is. Except for the few really bad teams and the few elite teams every team has a shot or could be derailed by a key injury or two.

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I find it interesting that the Flames have been picked to be a solid playoff team and the Jets are picked to be a solid non-playoff team.



The Flames and jets have been lock-step for the last 3 years and this is the year where the Flames pull away. Why?





Gaudreau-Monahan-Brouwer / Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler

Shinkaruk-Backlund-Frolik / Laine-Little-Stafford

Tkachuk-Bennett-Chaisson / Connor-Lowry-Perrault

Bouma-Stajan-Hathaway / Burmistrov – Matthias- Armia

Ferland-Jankowski-Poirier/ Dano-Copp-Petan



Likelihood of Tkachuk /Shinkaruk/Jankowski in the game 10 lineup very low as is Connor and Petan



last year combined stats from the #1 lines Flames 75 goals 180 pts +/- 0 Jets 69 goals 176 pts +27





Gio-Brodie / Byfuglien - Trouba

Wideman- Hamilton / Enstrom-Myers

Jokipakka-Engelland / Chiarot-Strait

Kulak-Wotherspoon / Stuart-Morrissey



Elliot-Johnson/ Hellebuyck-Pavlec-Hutchinson

Where do you think the Flames have the huge advantage?



Are the Jets going to lose Trouba for 4 1st round picks and just move Stuart or Morrissey up the line-up?

Interesting comparison. Teams are actually pretty comparable, overall at F and both have excellent D.

One difference I see is Bennett. He has the potential to explode this season while the Jets have nobody in that situation. Laine could step in and be awesome, but so could Tkachuk so in a sense both X factors that kind of cancel each other out. Arguably the Flames also are better in goal (shocking), though Hellebuyck has potential to come in and solidify himself as a young legit #1.
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Understanding we're all die-hard fans here, but I'm still surprised at the amount of people that have the Flames finishing 2nd-3rd.

I have a gut feeling its going to be another painful season. Another one of those years where if Johnny isn't in on a goal than the offence is Nil.

1. Sharks
2. Ducks
3. Kings
4. Oilers
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Fair points, Ricardo.
Jets play in a tougher division, so that might hurt them a bit. But I agree that there isn't much between the two rosters and I think it goes to show how close the league is. Except for the few really bad teams and the few elite teams every team has a shot or could be derailed by a key injury or two.
Divison strength are shifting... Pacific has been weaker based a lot on the Oilers and Coyotes (and Flames) The improving bottom end in the Pacific along with the talent flow out of the top of the central (St.L, Dallas, Chicago) are liable to make the wild cards not all Central spots.

How much easier will it be to play against St.L without Backes and Brouwer.
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Interesting comparison. Teams are actually pretty comparable, overall at F and both have excellent D.

One difference I see is Bennett. He has the potential to explode this season while the Jets have nobody in that situation. Laine could step in and be awesome, but so could Tkachuk so in a sense both X factors that kind of cancel each other out. Arguably the Flames also are better in goal (shocking), though Hellebuyck has potential to come in and solidify himself as a young legit #1.
Ehlers had an identical rookie season to Bennett. He had the benefit of fitting in on the Jets's top line but finished his last 23 games with 16 points and plus 4 playing 19 minutes /game... Seems like he found his game.

Had Bennett finished as strong we would be looking at him to push Monahan as #1C.

Connor was the best offensive player in the NCAA... scoring at the Eichel and Gaudreau level.

we just went through a whole lot of threads of what the Flames would/should have given up to get Laine or Puljarvi instead of #6

Not even Gaudreau dominated the World Championship Laine style. ... I mention this because Gaudreau world cup performance was when I got fully on board with No AHL games for Gaudreau.
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I think the California teams continue to dominate the Pacific division for at least another season. Its a pick em between those 3 teams for 1-2-3.

Kings - Kopitar, Carter, Doughty, and Quick
Sharks - Couture, Pavelsky, Burns, Jones
Ducks - Getzlaf, Perry, Fowler, Gibson

The Flames are improving, but our core is not as good as the above. Defence yes, but our top forwards are not even close yet to what these teams have.

Flames will have to get in via a wildcard spot.
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Metropolitan:

1. Capitals
2. Penguins
3. Islanders
4. Devils
5. Rangers
6. Flyers
7. Hurricanes
8. Blue Jackets

Atlantic:

1. Panthers
2. Lightning
3. Red Wings
4. Senators
5. Sabres
6. Canadians
7. Bruins
8. Maple Leafs

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1. Stars
2. Blues
3. Blackhawks
4. Jets
5. Predators
6. Wild
7. Avalanche

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1. Sharks
2. Kings
3. Flames
4. Ducks
5. Oilers
6. Coyotes
7. Canucks

Sadly, the Oilers do look they have improved from last place. Not by much. I still see the Oilers as a bottom 5 team. But the Canucks will be the worst team in the league and place last. They are s total mess right now. The Ducks hired Carlyle, they won't be as good as before. The Flames will make a big jump. Partly because our division is bad and the other because of a new Coach, Elliott and our development. The Flames will surprise the league without Hartley and Hiller.
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Understanding we're all die-hard fans here, but I'm still surprised at the amount of people that have the Flames finishing 2nd-3rd.

I have a gut feeling its going to be another painful season. Another one of those years where if Johnny isn't in on a goal than the offence is Nil.

1. Sharks
2. Ducks
3. Kings
4. Oilers
5. Coyotes
6. Flames
7. Canucks
I'm surprised you have the Oilers as high as 4th. Their D hasn't improved nearly enough IMO.
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Bennett, Hamilton and good health are critical to Flames success this year. I suspect goals may be a little harder to come by with team being more organized in their own zone.

I think Flames will be in the mix for 3rd or a wildcard spot. Not a popular view around here but I believe Oilers could be the team Flames need to beat for a playoff spot.
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