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868904 · 06-23-2016, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If the team has to opt for Reimer I believe the team will also sign another goaltender to back him up for security. The only way I see Ortio back as the backup is if they blow their wad on a Bishop or MAF trade where they feel secure in their number one guy and are using a sizeable portion of their salary cap on him.

Agreed. I bet Ramo is back (at a reduced price) if they sign Reimer.

EldrickOnIce · 06-23-2016, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What concerned me about Treliving's comments a short while ago was that he said he wasn't keen on trading the 6th for a goalie (Or something similar to that).

I wanted to hear: no f-ing way would I trade #6 for a goalie.

Have to admit it made me think he's thinking about Bishop too

I would NOT be happy if the 6th pick went to TB for Bishop.

No one would.
But, for ridiculous example, I am sure Treliving would trade the 6th pick for Carey Price, so while he is not keen on trading that pick for a goalie, he would do it in the right circumstances.

jaikorven · 06-23-2016, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If the team has to opt for Reimer I believe the team will also sign another goaltender to back him up for security. The only way I see Ortio back as the backup is if they blow their wad on a Bishop or MAF trade where they feel secure in their number one guy and are using a sizeable portion of their salary cap on him.

Fair enough, but we have seen how the market can bite us in the ass (last year) already, so hopefully you are right and we get two.

Royle9 · 06-23-2016, 10:55 AM

Every time Dreger opens his mouth I prepare for verbal diarrhea.

Dreger just had brief convo w/ Treliving short while ago. "It sure sounds like he's looking at where to go for lunch today, chicken parm or philly cheese steak?"

Badgers Nose · 06-23-2016, 10:55 AM

Any chance Reimer is a late FA? Could they get him cheap?

calumniate · 06-23-2016, 10:57 AM

Anytime Dreger says anything, I try to figure out how his statements would benefit the leafs. Normally it solves itself.. I'm having a hard time with this one though

flamesfan55 · 06-23-2016, 10:59 AM

Makes me nervous that there going to give up a lot.

Enoch Root · 06-23-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by flamesfan55

Makes me nervous that there going to give up a lot.

Whether it's Fleury, Bishop, or Varlamov, the acquisition cost will be higher than what Flames fans want or expect, I believe.

Which is why I want them to sign Reimer.

Or best case scenario, find a young guy who's ready to take the next step

CaptainCrunch · 06-23-2016, 11:03 AM

This picture taken during the old testicle inspection

dammage79 · 06-23-2016, 11:05 AM

I'd be fine with Bishop if the price was right. Instant playoff team with him if he is healthy next year. Then we get to go through the same "Process" next year before the expansion draft.

EVERLAST · 06-23-2016, 11:09 AM

Don't know why Bishop has to be the goalie.

Last 2 playoffs he has gotten hurt no?

Equipment is getting changed and so who knows how that will change his style, play, etc.

No doubt about it the guy is a great goalie. No debate there.

Is tree doing this to prove he went hard after him but just couldn't make it work.?

There has to be another way , another goalie we aren't seeing.

Kipper was 3rd on the depth chart in San Jose before he was given an opportunity.

Turned out the guy was a pretty awesome goalie.

So , okay what if we get Bishop ? What's the price tag? The gamble involved? His history in regular season is great but playoffs not so much.

To many questions for me alone and I'm not sold on this guy.....glad it's just a rumor.

868904 · 06-23-2016, 11:21 AM

The only goalies the 6th overall pick (straight up) should be traded for are Carey Price, Braden Holtby, Tuuka Rask, and Peter Mrazek.

Buff · 06-23-2016, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Don't know why Bishop has to be the goalie.

Last 2 playoffs he has gotten hurt no?

Equipment is getting changed and so who knows how that will change his style, play, etc.

No doubt about it the guy is a great goalie. No debate there.

Is tree doing this to prove he went hard after him but just couldn't make it work.?

There has to be another way , another goalie we aren't seeing.

Kipper was 3rd on the depth chart in San Jose before he was given an opportunity.

Turned out the guy was a pretty awesome goalie.

So , okay what if we get Bishop ? What's the price tag? The gamble involved? His history in regular season is great but playoffs not so much.

To many questions for me alone and I'm not sold on this guy.....glad it's just a rumor.

Curious. How many times has a player in a similar situation to Kiprusoff been discovered to be a #1 goalie after being traded away from the team where he wasn't getting a chance. Does anybody know?

BrownDrake · 06-23-2016, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Don't know why Bishop has to be the goalie.

Last 2 playoffs he has gotten hurt no?

Equipment is getting changed and so who knows how that will change his style, play, etc.

No doubt about it the guy is a great goalie. No debate there.

Is tree doing this to prove he went hard after him but just couldn't make it work.?

There has to be another way , another goalie we aren't seeing.

Kipper was 3rd on the depth chart in San Jose before he was given an opportunity.

Turned out the guy was a pretty awesome goalie.

So , okay what if we get Bishop ? What's the price tag? The gamble involved? His history in regular season is great but playoffs not so much.

To many questions for me alone and I'm not sold on this guy.....glad it's just a rumor.

I think we have been experimenting since Kipper left, trying to find a gem that turns into a number one. Could be management is tired of that approach I guess. Could be a good year to sign a Reimer on a 3 year deal and hope he is a decent number one until Gillies is ready in a couple of seasons.

I just get the opinion from the rumblings and other external pressures (expansion, cap troubles etc.) management sees this as maybe the best opportunity to pick up a bonafide number 1 - who is that is the current conundrum.

I sense this is a bigger priority to management than more depth draft picks or even our obsession with a star RW'er.

Apollo · 06-23-2016, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If the team has to opt for Reimer I believe the team will also sign another goaltender to back him up for security. The only way I see Ortio back as the backup is if they blow their wad on a Bishop or MAF trade where they feel secure in their number one guy and are using a sizeable portion of their salary cap on him.

I can't see Ortio set as the 3rd wheel for another year. Ortio needs to play to develop, just like any goalie. The way Hartley utilized Ortio (or didn't) was the kiss of death. Ortio improved when he was able to play consistently. Which brings me to the next point. The Flames will want Gillies to play consistently in the AHL to help develop his game. If Ortio is replaced, he either stays up, ruining development or goes to the AHL and splits time with Gillies. Which will inhibit both of their development. So I think we will see Ortio as the Flames backup for at least a year, likely two.

The other mystery is how the new adjustment to pads will affect goalie performance. The changes should be beneficial for athletic goalies. I have a feeling the change will be beneficial for Ortio, who plays a very athletic game. I think these new rules will help Ortio. I'd like to see what he can do with consistent time as a backup.

dammage79 · 06-23-2016, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 868904

The only goalies the 6th overall pick (straight up) should be traded for are Carey Price, Braden Holtby, Tuuka Rask, and Peter Mrazek.

One of these things is not like the other....

dino7c · 06-23-2016, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Buff

Curious. How many times has a player in a similar situation to Kiprusoff been discovered to be a #1 goalie after being traded away from the team where he wasn't getting a chance. Does anybody know?

VERY rare...to expect it to happen again let alone for the same team is ridiculous

And why is the new equipment only hurting Bishop and nobody else? in fact the guy wants the NHL to reduce equipment is has been vocal in support of it

Krynn · 06-23-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

PS the Hardly Boys are on the case

Lmfao love it

Da_Chief · 06-23-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 868904

The only goalies the 6th overall pick (straight up) should be traded for are Carey Price, Braden Holtby, Tuuka Rask, and Peter Mrazek.

Nah...for me it's only Price, Holtby, Schneider and whichever goalie emerges this year.

CaptainYooh · 06-23-2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Whether it's Fleury, Bishop, or Varlamov, the acquisition cost will be higher than what Flames fans want or expect, I believe.

Yes. But only because people like to believe in miracles of having something for nothing. Magic finds (i.e. acquiring Kiprusoff from San Jose) are flukes. We will have to pay market value to get either Bishop or MAF. I'd prefer Bishop, because he's a proven better playoff goalie. And pay the price which is going to be high.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

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Which is why I want them to sign Reimer...

I understand the logic, but why stop there? Reimer is not that much of an improvement from our current situation. Why bother signing him at all? Get Ramo/Ortio tandem and suffer through the season knowing full well that they are only a temporary bridge solution until a bona fide #1 goalie emerges from somewhere.