Anyone see Kanye West

[4X4]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer+Sep 2 2005, 11:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flaming Homer @ Sep 2 2005, 11:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

What are the chances that a guy in (or soon to be) Dublin Ireland is a drunken, potato eating, scabbed knuckled, red haired, head-bobbing, corner-mouth-talker? I'd say they are pretty good. But I don't mean to stereotype.

Hmmm, pretty stupid statement, huh?

Well you'd be pretty close........................ [/b][/quote]


I like a man that can laugh at himself. You can call me a greasy wop anytime you like.

[Patek23]

Well you got all of them right except for the hair color, so I had t ogive you credit!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by CaramonLS@Sep 3 2005, 01:21 AM

Well to be honest, Bush's cabinet has nothing to do with anything concerning this issue. His cabinet is the most ethnically diverse cabinet because he is trying to dispel the notion that something like 77% of the party is white/christian.

Oh come on now.

I think Bush should be punted from office because of, well, for a lot of reasons, but what you are saying is crazy talk.

I don't agree with Condoleezza Rice's politics but check out her resumé.

resumé

She wasn't picked for that gig simply because she's a black woman and George was trying to dispel any notions.

[FireFly]

After going back and forth between this thread, and the Bush drops the ball thread, one thing I noticed that people have brought up is his track record at dropping the ball. 9/11 he apparently dropped the ball too. However, being the WTC, I would assume the majority inside the building would've been upper-middle class, and mainly white.

And yet, the response to 9/11 was overwhelming and rather quick. Why? Well, it was the city, not the federal government that was prepared. Even though Bush apparently dropped the ball, the city and state were right on top of it. Hmph. Makes me wonder who's really to blame in this mess.

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by Igottago@Sep 3 2005, 12:24 AM
no doubt there were white people caught up in it as well...but look at the percentages of black to white who couldn't get out due to poverty (looking at New Orleans particularly)...and can you honestly tell me that if thousands of white folks were stuck in New Orleans the response would be as shinguardty as it was?? honestly??

Accusations of racism without proof of such is racist in itself.

[Hakan]

Can you explain that statement Snakeeye?

[Calgary Flames]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Sep 3 2005, 01:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Sep 3 2005, 01:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Calgary Flames@Sep 3 2005, 12:36 AM
This idiot goes on a telethon for Red Cross and is a bitter piece of shinguard... That's not the place to do that... you think that's going to get people to bust out their wallets?

Of course he's going to be bitter Jordon. Who isn't? I am and I'm a white guy living in Canada and I am sickened by the situation.

But that's a good point about "is that going to make people bust out their wallets". What he said was definitely counterproductive and no doubt cost a few bucks in donations. The idea is to raise money and he lost a lot, I'll bet, by saying that. Half the (voting) country voted for Bush, and they have a lot of money. Trying to get money out of people and insulting them at the same time probably doesn't work.

There is a time and a place and Kanye was wrong on both the time and the place. [/b][/quote]
I just thought it was an extremely selfish time and place to make that comment... A fataing Red Cross fundraiser... Speaking from the heart or not, he's an idiot for saying what he said based on that alone.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally posted by Calgary Flames@Sep 3 2005, 11:40 AM
I just thought it was an extremely selfish time and place to make that comment... A fataing Red Cross fundraiser... Speaking from the heart or not, he's an idiot for saying what he said based on that alone.

Selfish? How so? *IF* it was a staged stunt to get notarity, you would he would have prepared something. He spoke from the heart... from the way he said it, I think it was all spur of the moment.

I don't think he was thinking of HIMSELF when he made those comments.

But of course if a black man says that something is racist, I certainly expected him to come under fire from white analysts on TV for saying it.

[flames_1987]

The guy got on there helped out the red cross and then put in his opinion. Maybe not the best time, but certainly a legit statement. It's America, freedom of speech, over one of the worst events in US history. Where else is he gonna have a platform like that to speak his mind? I don't 100% agree with his choice, but with everything thats going on, I find it hard to slam the guy for speaking up.

There is no way that poverty and race has not played a part in this. If we saw white buisness men in suits in the conditions many african americans are living in right now, things would be being treated differentlly no doubt.

[Devils'Advocate]

It may not be black vs white, but poor vs wealthy. Though the ties between the two are disturbing.

As was mentioned in the other thread, the people at the community centre were scrounging for food and supplies, but when they got to the rich neighborhood SWAT teams turned them back. You know where the priorites were... and it wasn't getting food and water to those people.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally posted by Devils'Advocate+Sep 3 2005, 12:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Devils'Advocate @ Sep 3 2005, 12:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Calgary Flames@Sep 3 2005, 11:40 AM
I just thought it was an extremely selfish time and place to make that comment... A fataing Red Cross fundraiser... Speaking from the heart or not, he's an idiot for saying what he said based on that alone.

Selfish? How so? *IF* it was a staged stunt to get notarity, you would he would have prepared something. He spoke from the heart... from the way he said it, I think it was all spur of the moment.

I don't think he was thinking of HIMSELF when he made those comments.

But of course if a black man says that something is racist, I certainly expected him to come under fire from white analysts on TV for saying it. [/b][/quote]
Selfish because he's bitter with the goverment... That's his right but could he not have made those comments at a more appropriate place than a place to raise money to help these suffering people??

Have some self control and respect for what you're trying to accomplish there... It has nothing to do with him trying to get personal notoriaty (sp?)

The time and place for that comment, wasn't a fund raiser.

[Patek23]

He's bitter with the government because people are being prioritzed by wealth and color. Hell one of the buses that was supposed to pick up people in the Superdome, went to the fataing Ritz Carlton so it could pick up people because it was getting hot and they were running out of food, key word being they had food which is a hell lot more than the people at the Superdome.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally posted by Flaming Homer@Sep 3 2005, 01:31 PM
He's bitter with the government because people are being prioritzed by wealth and color. Hell one of the buses that was supposed to pick up people in the Superdome, went to the fataing Ritz Carlton so it could pick up people because it was getting hot and they were running out of food, key word being they had food which is a hell lot more than the people at the Superdome.

I don't give a fata what his motivation was, it wasn't the right place to do it... you CANNOT disagree with that. A fundraiser to help these people in poverty isn't the place to do it. Nothing anyone can say will convince me otherwise.

His comments may have been from the heart and accurate to a point, but that doesn't excuse what happened.

Even Chris Tucker (A black man) looked disgusted.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Calgary Flames+Sep 3 2005, 07:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Calgary Flames @ Sep 3 2005, 07:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Selfish? How so? *IF* it was a staged stunt to get notarity, you would he would have prepared something. He spoke from the heart... from the way he said it, I think it was all spur of the moment.

I don't think he was thinking of HIMSELF when he made those comments.

But of course if a black man says that something is racist, I certainly expected him to come under fire from white analysts on TV for saying it.

Selfish because he's bitter with the goverment... That's his right but could he not have made those comments at a more appropriate place than a place to raise money to help these suffering people??

Have some self control and respect for what you're trying to accomplish there... It has nothing to do with him trying to get personal notoriaty (sp?)

The time and place for that comment, wasn't a fund raiser.[/b][/quote]
While I can see what you're saying (focus should be on fundraising, not finger-pointing), I think Kanye's comments (whether true or not) were voiced at the right place, at the right time. People aren't suffering yesterday, they're suffering right now. It's not yesterday that people were lamenting the federal government's poor response; that's happening right now. If this guy perceives that people are dying due to George Bush' and the Federal Government's tardiness, then he _must_ put his thoughts out as big and loud as possible. How is a program devoted to these victims not the perfect platform for this? It wasn't aggrandizement (I believe) for himself, it was to help others.

Now, whether he is actually correct or not in his statement is another matter entirely. If he believes it, then he did the right thing. If he was padding his career (which I doubt, but don't know) then he's a jackass.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Calgary Flames@Sep 3 2005, 07:51 PM
I don't give a fata what his motivation was, it wasn't the right place to do it... you CANNOT disagree with that. A fundraiser to help these people in poverty isn't the place to do it. Nothing anyone can say will convince me otherwise.

I disagree... but since nothing anyone can say will convince you otherwise, I guess I won't elaborate.

[steveo]

Originally posted by Calgary Flames+Sep 3 2005, 12:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Calgary Flames @ Sep 3 2005, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flaming Homer@Sep 3 2005, 01:31 PM
He's bitter with the government because people are being prioritzed by wealth and color. Hell one of the buses that was supposed to pick up people in the Superdome, went to the fataing Ritz Carlton so it could pick up people because it was getting hot and they were running out of food, key word being they had food which is a hell lot more than the people at the Superdome.

I don't give a fata what his motivation was, it wasn't the right place to do it... you CANNOT disagree with that. A fundraiser to help these people in poverty isn't the place to do it. Nothing anyone can say will convince me otherwise.

His comments may have been from the heart and accurate to a point, but that doesn't excuse what happened.

Even Chris Tucker (A black man) looked disgusted. [/b][/quote]
You speak like you wouldn't say anything liek that if you were in his shoes.

did Chris Tucker look disgusted, or suprised?

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Sep 3 2005, 07:26 AM


Clinton must have done the same thing eh? After all, he's a true southern whitey. He must have had his token black 'servants' so people wouldn't think he was a racist. That's what I think he did.

Well if you think that, then that is your opinion.

I'm just saying the selection of Bush's cabinet means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I'm not saying Bush is racist. Quite the contrary, I'm saying he goes out of his way regularily to make himself not look like he is racist. Which is why I don't think this is a racism issue at all. See my point?

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Sep 3 2005, 08:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Sep 3 2005, 08:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaramonLS@Sep 3 2005, 01:21 AM

Well to be honest, Bush's cabinet has nothing to do with anything concerning this issue. His cabinet is the most ethnically diverse cabinet because he is trying to dispel the notion that something like 77% of the party is white/christian.

Oh come on now.

I think Bush should be punted from office because of, well, for a lot of reasons, but what you are saying is crazy talk.

I don't agree with Condoleezza Rice's politics but check out her resumé.

resumé

She wasn't picked for that gig simply because she's a black woman and George was trying to dispel any notions. [/b][/quote]
Plenty of other people could have been picked, but because of the fact she is black and a woman, that trumped a lot of other possible people who could have been picked.

Geez people, I am not Saying Bush is a racist, just that he goes out of his way to make himself not look like one.

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by FireFly@Sep 3 2005, 07:29 AM

You make like ALL the National Guard troops were over seas. They now have 15000 troops in Louisiana, and are going to double that in the next couple days. They didn't just pack up and come home that quickly.

3000 of them were, which is a very large percentage of the active national guard troops from that state.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,1331..._083005,00.html

In Louisiana, which took the brunt of Katrina, some 3,000 members of the 256th Combat Brigade are in Iraq, while 3,500 members of the Guard were deployed to help hurricane victims and another 3,000 were on standby.

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Calgary Flames+Sep 3 2005, 12:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Calgary Flames @ Sep 3 2005, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flaming Homer@Sep 3 2005, 01:31 PM
He's bitter with the government because people are being prioritzed by wealth and color. Hell one of the buses that was supposed to pick up people in the Superdome, went to the fataing Ritz Carlton so it could pick up people because it was getting hot and they were running out of food, key word being they had food which is a hell lot more than the people at the Superdome.

I don't give a fata what his motivation was, it wasn't the right place to do it... you CANNOT disagree with that. A fundraiser to help these people in poverty isn't the place to do it. Nothing anyone can say will convince me otherwise.

His comments may have been from the heart and accurate to a point, but that doesn't excuse what happened.

Even Chris Tucker (A black man) looked disgusted. [/b][/quote]
It's the perfect place for it, maybe it will make more people realize that more needs to be done and force for more things to be done, it's not like he blurted it out because he felt like it, it's obvious that he thought it was he right place right time.