To be fair, having gay friends has nothing to do with transgendered people.
I have gay co-workers and friends. They have no problem using the mens washroom. They had no problem with me being there as a non gay person. It's all silly.
I was agreeing with you, I think I just messed up the wording a little. It's late, haha.
Vox, I highly recommend watching this interview with Against Me's transgendered frontwoman, Laura Jane Grace. This stuff so much more important than you're giving it credit for, and your concerns so minimal and not very realistic at the same time.
It's 22 minutes and 1:30 in the morning. But I'm willing to give it a watch later. Thanks for the link.
Yes, but that's not fair at all Vox. What you're essentially saying even if you don't intend is - A boy who has identified that he's a girl shouldn't have the option to be a girl because it might make my daughter uncomfortable and she wants to play sports with only girls.
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Yes, that's what I'm feeling, but I'm not quite saying it. I'm saying I'm very troubled by it, which actually is why I started the thread and have posted more in this one thread than any other in my history here. I'm open to the discussion. But yes, I worry about a lot of it. Even for the transgendered kids. I don't know that this is the answer. I don't KNOW that its NOT the answer either.
Unfortunately, there like won't be a "the answer" for integrating transgendered people into society and making them feel comfortable and normal. But it's little initiatives like this one that will chip away at it.
People much more qualified than you and I have studied this enough to determine that this is worthwhile and will help the transgendered community, and even without the background I feel I can easily see how it would. I hope you can get there too.
I really appreciate you sticking your neck out here and saying what you truly feel about the situation, though. It's an important discussion to have.
This is a argument that I respect. And it hits home, as it hits at the nature of one of my big concerns. You may have a good point. I'll think about that one.
Thank you. I have made a few posts since you caught up. I shouldn't have dogpiled. I apologize.
It's 22 minutes and 1:30 in the morning. But I'm willing to give it a watch later. Thanks for the link.
No problem, please do when you get a chance, it's a pretty powerful interview, I'd like to hear your thoughts. You don't often hear shocked silence from a talk show crowd these days, but it was certainly a little chilling to hear George ask her what she thinks of the statistic that over half of transgendered youth attempt suicide followed by "I'm part of that statistic" and then gasps and silence from the crowd, and a stunned George Strombolopolous figuring out how to segway.
Beat me to it. Thanks dude. I'm actually interested in this discussion. Seems more relevant to the real world than some I've waded through. I feel like I'm getting some good perspectives and appreciate the people that take the time to discuss constructively.
Yeah dude, nice way of being a dick without saying anything at all. It's not one of those silly threads where people go bonkers over a player or video game and there is really no purpose. It's an actual issue.
You do this a lot. I mean, its an awesome gif, but don't be a dick.
Beat me to it. Thanks dude. I'm actually interested in this discussion. Seems more relevant to the real world than some I've waded through. I feel like I'm getting some good perspectives and appreciate the people that take the time to discuss constructively.
No worries, I came off a little harsh at first (like we all do on CP with touchy topics, haha) and I apologize. Definitely stick with the thread as it progresses if possible, even if some continue to take shots, we need more of this discussion around here, imo.
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Thank you. I have made a few posts since you caught up. I shouldn't have dogpiled. I apologize.
No worries. Thanks for that. Sorry for all the names and insults I was thinking up when I was reading between your previous post and getting to this one. (kidding)
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Your opinion as stated through a gif is that you came in and didn't like what you saw because it's icky or whatever and then left right away. That's not really much of an opinion it's just "Hey look at me I hate this topic!!!". Why did we need that? No one cares. Just don't post in the thread if it's not your thing.
If I went into every thread that I don't care for right now and posted that gif, I'd probably be banned, so why do it for even one thread?
No worries. Thanks for that. Sorry for all the names and insults I was thinking up when I was reading between your previous post and getting to this one. (kidding)
Not a lot of people can do what you did. It does seem you were actually asking the question in the OP. And your were open.
Good on you man.
Not to take the high road here. It's happened to me too.
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No worries, I came off a little harsh at first (like we all do on CP with touchy topics, haha) and I apologize. Definitely stick with the thread as it progresses if possible, even if some continue to take shots, we need more of this discussion around here, imo.
I'll stick with it; be back in the morning. It's late and I need my beauty sleep. (oh, oh, wait . . ?)
It's happened in professional sports, so sure, could happen. But there is also another side. My daughter for example, is probably not going to be comfortable playing on a team with a boy. She is not the most athletic girl, and she wants to play with girls because she has a chance. Put a boy in the mix, and it can totally change the dynamic.
It's not narrow minded to have concerns. It's narrow minded to reject them out right. I'm raising my concerns which are as valid as yours.
I'm usually right there in the crusty conservative dude crowd, but this one I get - now.
My kid had his birthday. He had friends over from school and hockey and all that. And when I looked at the list of kids he made I saw a girls name and said oh who's that, is she from school? My kid said yes but [name] is a boy. I'm thinking weird boys name but whatever. Turns out [name] is a girl who self identifies as a boy. To my kid and his friends, he's a boy. A quiet, kinda odd boy, but they don't care. I dont pretend to understand any of it, but that experience made this not hypothetical for me. I can see not a looney set of rules but a kid who was just hanging with his friends.
If [name] is any example, I can guarantee your daughter will never feel like she is on a team with a boy. She might feel like there is a weird kid on her team, and maybe even know the story and find the whole thing awkward. But it will not be like it seems in your head where it's a dude walking into the girls changeroom. And from what I saw (only a couple of hours with pre-teens I admit) chances are our kids will handle this better than we do if we clear the way with rules like these.
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