Russian Airbus crashes in Egypt

[Fuzz]

That sounds like...poor programming. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't have an airspeed check on the autopilot to avoid stalls.

[Hockeyguy13]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That sounds like...poor programming. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't have an airspeed check on the autopilot to avoid stalls.

Im not sure about the airbus, but every aircraft I've ever flown does not avoid stalls if you let the speed get too low on autopilot.

[Kavvy]

I don't think the engine's failed and then it broke up when it hit the ground, it doesn't explain why they suddenly lost contact.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

I don't think the engine's failed and then it broke up when it hit the ground, it doesn't explain why they suddenly lost contact.

Was already stated that it broke up in the air as debris is spread over 20+ sq km.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

I hate to interrupt this conversation about Russian history with actual news but...

Kurt Hofmann
‏@atterseeluftfah
Crashed MetroJet A321 had been delivered on May 9 1997 to Libanese MEA. Damaged by a tailstrike in 2001, returned to service Feb. 2002

660 NEWS Calgary ‏@660NEWS
#BREAKING: A Russian aviation official says Russian passenger plane that crashed broke up at high altitude.

That is bringing back memories of the JAL 747 that had the faulty repairs done to the aft pressure bulkhead, it failed at altitude and the crew tried to keep her flying despite losing pretty much the entire vertical stabilizer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123

The aircraft was involved in a tailstrike incident at Osaka International Airport seven years earlier as JAL Flight 115, which damaged the aircraft's rear pressure bulkhead.

• The subsequent repair of the bulkhead did not conform to Boeing's approved repair methods. The Boeing technicians fixing the aircraft used two separate doubler plates, one with two rows of rivets and one with only one row when the procedure called for one continuous doubler plate with three rows of rivets to reinforce the damaged bulkhead.[24] The incorrect repair reduced the part's resistance to metal fatigue to about 70% compared to the correctly executed repair. According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the one "doubler plate" which was specified for the job (the Federal Aviation Administration calls it a "splice plate" — essentially a patch) was cut into two pieces parallel to the stress crack it was intended to reinforce, "to make it fit".[25] This negated the effectiveness of one of the rows of rivets. During the investigation, Boeing calculated that this incorrect installation would fail after approximately 10,000 pressurizations; the aircraft accomplished 12,318 successful flights from the time that the faulty repair was made to when the crash happened.

[billybob123]

^^^^^^^

Or China Airlines 611. 22 years after tailstrike, plane crashed with 200+ dead.

It was on a Mayday episode.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611

[Locke]

I hate to say it, but couldnt this just be a mechanical failure?

I vaguely recall Lokomotiv Yaroslavl's plane that crashed had a deplorable mechanical status but technically passed safety inspection?

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Locke

I hate to say it, but couldnt this just be a mechanical failure?

I vaguely recall Lokomotiv Yaroslavl's plane that crashed had a deplorable mechanical status but technically passed safety inspection?

If I recall that had a big dose of pilot error, on the takeoff run the pilot flying was also on the brakes, extending the takeoff roll to much longer than it should have been.

[T@T]

Reports coming out of a possible bomb took the plane down.

Egypt and Russia have appeared to back away from their assertions that a Russian passenger jet crashed in the Sinai desert because of a technical fault, as it was revealed on Sunday that the plane broke up in the air and officials conceded the aircraft could had been brought down by a bomb on board.

While experts believe it was flying too high to be hit by an Isil missile, an Egyptian official in the civil aviation ministry told The Daily Telegraph it was possible the plane was brought down by an explosive planted on board.

A grainy mobile phone video circulated online purports to shows the moment the airliner exploded before hurtling down to earth, but its origins are unclear and it could not be verified as authentic.

However, it appeared to chime with accounts from eyewitnesses who said the plane fell flaming from the sky.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/...cid=spartandhp

[sharkov]

Originally Posted by T@T

Reports coming out of a possible bomb took the plane down.



http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/...cid=spartandhp

if true then al baghdadi better stay clear of all sushi, tea, cars, walking down dark alleys, mail, etc. from now on........

[FLAME ENVY]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

If I recall that had a big dose of pilot error, on the takeoff run the pilot flying was also on the brakes, extending the takeoff roll to much longer than it should have been.

BT is correct, the accident was pure pilot error. The crew had insufficient training on the Yak and forged documents enabling them to be up front in the first place. The brakes had been applied through the entire takeoff roll by one or both of the pilots. The FO had incurred nerve damage in his feet and was not even legally allowed to fly. Apparently he could not feel his feet applying the brakes. Truly unbelievable and a shame so many innocent people had to pay the ultimate price.


The aviation industry in Russia is 3rd world and this is but one example.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

I agree. Russia had really big problems with Islamic terrorists in places like Chechnya and Daegestan. After relentlessly pounding these regions with everything they have, they've basically wiped most of the insurgency out.

Not saying they can do the same thing with the Middle East, but Russia's way of dealing with terrorists is complete and utter brute force. Russia will destroy your house, your village, your city, whatever it takes.

There are also something like a couple of dozen terrorist attacks on Russian soil every year. (And like everything in Russia, that's just the ones they'll publicly admit.) It hasn't really been that effective as a strategy.

[CaptainCrunch]

ISIS takes credit for it, if its proven that it was ISIS, I would have no doubt that the Russians will immediately and violently lose their s%%t

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

If only Moscow didn't have a history of killing its own civilians with bombs and blaming muslims to further state goals.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

If only Moscow didn't have a history of killing its own civilians with bombs and blaming muslims to further state goals.

Careful, wild baseless speculation isn't allowed here....

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Careful, wild baseless speculation isn't allowed here....

Well, to be fair some of this isn't baseless. The FSB got caught planting military grade explosives inside Russian apartments a couple of times during a bunch of "terrorist" attacks. Putin then killed the investigations into this once he got into power. Watch the PBS documentary "Putin's Way" among tons of other sources out there. Or Google the Ryazan FSB involvement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...tment_bombings

[T@T]

CNN reporting a satellite saw a "heat flash" at altitude, I just caught the end on TV, it's not on the website yet.

[blueski]

Originally Posted by T@T

CNN reporting a satellite saw a "heat flash" at altitude, I just caught the end on TV, it's not on the website yet.

Here's an NBC article, infrared Sat detected heat flash and didn't detect missile. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/rus...hed-no-n456161

[T@T]

Originally Posted by blueski

Here's an NBC article, infrared Sat detected heat flash and didn't detect missile. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/rus...hed-no-n456161

A bomb I could believe but I doubt anyone thinks ISIS has a missile system that could take a plane down at 30k, even if they stole one and somehow figured out how to use it... it wouldn't be in Saudi Arabia.

[blueski]

Originally Posted by T@T

A bomb I could believe but I doubt anyone thinks ISIS has a missile system that could take a plane down at 30k, even if they stole one and somehow figured out how to use it... it wouldn't be in Saudi Arabia.

Yep and the fact that someone was filming it at the exact time it happened to blow up.