[Signing] Flyers sign Voracek to multi-year extension (8 yrs, $8.25 mil AAV)

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by saillias

It's a little frustrating how the locked out 12-13 NHL season is basically wiped from memory of everyone here, or just considered irrelevant because it wasn't 82 games.

That was the year the Leafs made the playoffs and the Oilers finished ahead of us. Sounds pretty irrelevant to me.

In all seriousness, I don't really think of those years as authentic seasons. They were more like mini-wannabes that were better than nothing. Missing 34-36 games is a huge chunk and it does makes them seem less legitimate to me.

[mile]

Originally Posted by dino7c

no they haven't...Chicago's 2 massive contracts kick in this upcoming season

True, but what I meant was that the Hawks have always found a way to restock their team with strong drafting and development, and attracting the highly sought-after younger free agents when faced with cap problems before. They did it after 2010 as they reloaded for 2013 and they're doing it now. Teravainen, Hartman, Dano, and Panarin look like the next set of guys in their pipeline who can step in on cheap, affordable contracts.

Even with the 2 huge contracts kicking in, there is decent talent surrounding that core. There always has been and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

As core guys like Voracek and eventually Gaudreau/Monahan/Bennett will get these contracts, nearly everyone else outside that core will have to eventually go.

[Enoch Root]

I could see $8.25M for 4 years, but I think they will be hating this contract at some point before the 8 years is up.

[Gaskal]

At 5 years this is a great contract. 8 years, though? Eh....

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

A lot can happen in 8 years. Has there ever been a team that didn't end up regretting a deal as long as this one? Flyers are betting on a lot of things falling in their favour, continued offensive progression, injury-free career, cap going up, etc.

8 years is just too darn long.

Washington and Pittsburgh are doing just fine with longer contracts than this.

[RITFW]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think people are overly sensitive nowadays to these big money deals because they are scared what Mony, Gaudreau and Bennett will cost the Flames (me included).

If we have a high priced Gio, it's going to be hard to sign all three to what they want I am assuming. Hopefully they all accept 6x6's and go on their merry way being hockey playing little boys.

Apparently 6X6 is now not only acceptable but desirable. Interesting.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by RITFW

Apparently 6X6 is now not only acceptable but desirable. Interesting.

Like Burke says, everything Lowe does ****s **** up for everybody else.

[dammage79]

Voracek is just hitting his prime. 5 out of 8 years should be worth every penny. Having him and Giroux long term is a solid move.

[Mr.Coffee]

Agree with what seems to be the sentiment that the dollar figure seems ok it's the length that's gross. This is the same problem we will have with Giordano, except with an injury prone guy. If today's Voracek is 8.25mm/y then Giordano is at least that, as today I'd rather have Gio than Voracek.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Agree with what seems to be the sentiment that the dollar figure seems ok it's the length that's gross. This is the same problem we will have with Giordano, except with an injury prone guy. If today's Voracek is 8.25mm/y then Giordano is at least that, as today I'd rather have Gio than Voracek.

Voracek will be 26 and Giordano will be 33 years old on his next contact. Big difference.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

By comparison, in 2005-06, Iggy's $7M accounted for 18% of the $39M cap.

Crazy.

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Not sure how your second sentence follows from the first. Most people considered Iggy's 7M a bargain and a hometown discount, where he could have gotten more elsewhere. Voracek was a Hart candidate the first half of the season, finishing 5th in league scoring. He's also a guy who's just hitting his stride.

Iginla and Voracek are much different cases.

Iginla's first $7M AAV contract came when he was 28, after having spent a number of seasons as an elite player, and was only a 3 year deal.

His second $7M AAV contract came after scoring 35, 39, and 50 goals during his previous contract, and was still only a 5 year deal.

Voracek just doesn't have the established resume to make me comfortable with 8 years at $8.25

[RITFW]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Like Burke says, everything Lowe does ****s **** up for everybody else.

So Lowe is responsible for all contracts =/> 6x6? Duh. If y'all can get Monahan or Gaudreau signed at that rate (or even 7yrs) do it I say. Big time quality players with predictable production? What's not to like? Don't blame Lowe. I see Monahan (Gaudreau not so much, but talented nonetheless and prob worth the risk) as a 7.5/9 kinda guy in 3 or 4 years. Nothing wrong with slightly over paying now to make things more manageable down the road. Don't blame Lowe for being right 2 or 3 yrs ago. A blind squirrel finds a nuts sometimes.

[Clever_Iggy]

I didn't mean much by my comment other than I really hadn't thought about how much of the cap Iginla's 2005/06 salary made up until Street Pharmacist's comment about Voracek being 12% of the cap in Philly. Lots of good points made in response though.

[Chingas]

Not exactly relevant to the thread so sorry for being off topic a little.

I would love to see a system where by players that you draft carry a reduced cap hit than other players. So if you draft and develop a player that they only carry 75% of their salary as a cap hit . I think it would reward proper development and help teams to retain their younger stars.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Not exactly relevant to the thread so sorry for being off topic a little.

I would love to see a system where by players that you draft carry a reduced cap hit than other players. So if you draft and develop a player that they only carry 75% of their salary as a cap hit . I think it would reward proper development and help teams to retain their younger stars.

Interesting idea. Though - teams generally don't have a problem retaining their young stars.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Not exactly relevant to the thread so sorry for being off topic a little.

I would love to see a system where by players that you draft carry a reduced cap hit than other players. So if you draft and develop a player that they only carry 75% of their salary as a cap hit . I think it would reward proper development and help teams to retain their younger stars.

Don't think it will do what you want it to. Developing players in itself is already enough of a reward. If it was possible, all teams would wish they were self sufficient. This will only make for less player movement as teams like Chicago and LA won't have to make as many tough decisions.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, that would just result in less trading. And fans LOVE trades

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Weitz

It's funny watching the reactions of people. The salary cap keeps going up yet people are surprised salaries are too.

Kind of like how house prices in Calgary go up the same % that salaries do?

[sureLoss]

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Voracek: $10M ($4.5M signing bonus) / $10 ($4SB) / $9.25 ($2SB) / $9.25 ($2SB) / $6.25 ($4SB) / $7.5 (no SB) / $6.25 ($5SB)/$7 (no SB). #TSN

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Interestingly, Voracek was NOT given any no-trade or no-movement clauses from #Flyers. #TSN

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by RITFW

So Lowe is responsible for all contracts =/> 6x6? Duh. If y'all can get Monahan or Gaudreau signed at that rate (or even 7yrs) do it I say. Big time quality players with predictable production? What's not to like? Don't blame Lowe. I see Monahan (Gaudreau not so much, but talented nonetheless and prob worth the risk) as a 7.5/9 kinda guy in 3 or 4 years. Nothing wrong with slightly over paying now to make things more manageable down the road. Don't blame Lowe for being right 2 or 3 yrs ago. A blind squirrel finds a nuts sometimes.

6x6 contracts for the perceived wunderkinds in Edm was not right.

6x6 for Monahan and Gaudreau would be "right" in that it would help the team out tremendously. Monahan I believe will command more money though. If Bennett turns out to be of their caliber, getting him a $6 mil would also be great.

Nuge & Hall are 4 to 5 mil players, and that is being very generous. Floaty deserves even less. They all should have go Yakupov contracts.