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Old 05-08-2014, 09:19 PM   #41
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Old 05-08-2014, 09:20 PM   #42
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this thread needs that chart showing carlyle team puck possession stats going back to before he got fired upto this season. it's shocking.

here's a link:

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/451003911113932800
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Old 05-08-2014, 09:57 PM   #43
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Watching Bob McCowan today he made a statement that I agree with totally, when sportswriters say stuff like the coach lost the room it is garbage. The writers wouldn't know as they aren't in the room etc.
I have always found that if I am agreeing with McCowan, I need to take some time to re-evaluate my position.

And while sportswriters certainly aren't in the room, they talk to players. And if players want to make a statement anonymously, they talk to sportswriters.
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Old 05-09-2014, 07:30 AM   #44
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I would be fine having him back up Ramo. Much better than Joey Mac but that isn't saying much. Pretty sure my cat would be better than JM.
Sure, but is your cat doing singing?
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Watching Bob McCowan today he made a statement that I agree with totally, when sportswriters say stuff like the coach lost the room it is garbage. The writers wouldn't know as they aren't in the room etc. He also said that the exit interviews at the end of the year are stupid because as management you don't care what the workers (players) have to say. He said that the only comment to the players should be shut up and come back next year and play better.

I agree with keeping the coach and sending a message to the players that you don't get your way (like the Oilers "stars" not buying into the coaches and only playing offense). I love the Pittsburgh Steelers in the NFL and they have had 3 coaches since 1970, the owners basically telling the players to buy in because the coach isn't leaving. I wish more teams would take this approach.
So if Crosby or Toews talks about why his team failed you tell them to shut up? Historically, coaches need to win a Cup in the first few years with that team or they will never win it with that team. Firing assistants sends a message to the headcoach more than it does to the players. I think a coaching change with a message to the players that the new coach isn't going anywhere for a while is more effective unless you establish a situation where the players know the coach isnt going anywhere.
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Hav not read every post in this thread but apparently there is a team option out clause in Carlyle's contract.
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So if Crosby or Toews talks about why his team failed you tell them to shut up? Historically, coaches need to win a Cup in the first few years with that team or they will never win it with that team. Firing assistants sends a message to the headcoach more than it does to the players. I think a coaching change with a message to the players that the new coach isn't going anywhere for a while is more effective unless you establish a situation where the players know the coach isnt going anywhere.
Wow, never said that at all. First part of your comment - What I did say was if the players at the end of year meetings are coming in and complaining about the coach not coaching the style they want to play then they should be told to shut up and come back and play better. This whole mentality that the players have something to say in running the team has gotten out of hand. I have never seen a player, like Toews or Crosby or Gretzky or Hull turn into a good coach, because they know how to play but don't understand the whole system of what makes a team work.
Second part of your comment - really worked well for the Oilers, Islanders, Florida etc. When the players play the way they want and not to the coaches system they usually don't succeed. Firing the coach each year just shows the players that they are never going to be held accountable. Scotty Bowman was the most hated coach by his players but they all loved him at the end of the year when they won the cup. Glen Sather was the same way. And Chicago also fired the coach that everyone loved, Denis Savard, and brought in another hard nose to coach them and they won the cup. The players loved Savard because he let them do whatever they wanted.

All I am saying is I appreciate the teams that commit to a coach and make the players adjust to what is being done, like the most succesful team in the NFL.
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Hav not read every post in this thread but apparently there is a team option out clause in Carlyle's contract.
Yep just like I said it's a placeholder deal in hopes a better one becomes available next year such as Babcock. Something strange is going on with Babcock and the Wings right now and I'm wondering of there's an amicable split at the end of next season. Seems the Leafs are banking on it.
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Old 05-10-2014, 04:41 PM   #50
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Babcock just might want a new challenge after nearly a decade. He's saying all the right things, but no new contract.

The Leafs will pay him a ridiculous amount of money. So there might be something to it.
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