02-06-2014, 10:19 AM
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#41
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Originally Posted by devo22
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02-06-2014, 10:22 AM
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#42
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Originally Posted by strombad
I don't believe the cap works like that. If you trade two players it either works or it doesn't, it's not dependant on the time of year.
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Yes it is - cap is calculated daily.
If you have been under, you accrue space and can be over until you use up the space.
That is why Calgary can pick up $53m at the deadline
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02-06-2014, 10:22 AM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strombad
I don't believe the cap works like that. If you trade two players it either works or it doesn't, it's not dependant on the time of year.
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Sure it is. If you have $2M in cap space at the start of the season, you can add a $2M contract. If you have $2M in cap space with 25% of the season left, you can add an $8M contract. That's how the Flames were able to add Jokinen at the deadline in 2009.
Try the trade machine for yourself: http://capgeek.com/trade-machine/
Make the trade with "Today" as the date, and it's over the cap. Make it with "Deadline" as the date, and it's compliant.
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02-06-2014, 10:22 AM
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#44
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
Gagner's value isn't very high right now because he has looked like garbage this year. If you're not lighting it up offensively and you're lost in your own zone you won't get much in return. Clifford at this point seems about fair, actually might be a solid deal for the Oilers.
They could hold on to Gagner for now and hope he goes on a crazy hot streak for a few days like he did last year and then ship him out. Otherwise, getting a decent bottom 6 winger like Clifford isn't all that terrible.
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In reality Sam Gagner is a patently mediocre player. That 8 point night in 2012 was needed to get over the 40 point hump and last year he was putting up points in a contract year. After he signed the contract it was right back to being mediocre.
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02-06-2014, 10:22 AM
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#45
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
McKenzie saying stay tuned implies deal may be close
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Either that or he's taken a page from Eklund's book of workless anticipation.
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02-06-2014, 10:23 AM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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The Oil are going hot and heavy for Reinhardt. Eff the defense! We want all the centers!
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02-06-2014, 10:24 AM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Maple Bay, B.C.
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Either that or he's taken a page from Eklund's book of workless anticipation.
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Really? Associating Mackenzie with Eklund?
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02-06-2014, 10:24 AM
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#48
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Also, as lowly as I think of Gagner, them trading him one for one for Kyle Clifford and I assume a middle pick and retaining salary would be pretty damn funny. Considering Greaser expectations for his return value.
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02-06-2014, 10:25 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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@TheFourthPeriod: EDM asked about Muzzin from LA but were told no last I heard. Martinez could be in mix w/ Clifford, but LA also wants to bolster D elsewhere
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02-06-2014, 10:25 AM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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People have been saying how bad Gagner has looked and that he isn't a 2nd line center. He certainly wouldn't be 2nd line center in LA, but he certainly is in Edmonton. That said, consider the team he plays for. I bet Gagner could easly re-develop into a bonafide 2nd line center on almost any other team.
I am surprised nobody has come to his defense by mentioning his 8 point game from a couple of years ago.
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02-06-2014, 10:25 AM
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#51
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Originally Posted by dash_pinched
Really? Associating Mackenzie with Eklund?
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Is that really what you got out of that post?
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02-06-2014, 10:26 AM
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#52
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Gagner is having as good a season as Baertschi was when he got sent down to the Heat.
Horak would be an adequate replacement for his 6 goals and 23 pts in 45 games... playing 18 minutes a game -20!!!
Ganer is a 6 year NHL pro.... He is supposed to be a leader..... look how well he is leading the oilers.
I would be shocked if LA takes him off Edmonton's hands.
5 M / year for the next 2 years??? well for basically Stempniak.
Stempniak has more trade value than Gagner.
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02-06-2014, 10:29 AM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Gagner is having as good a season as Baertschi was when he got sent down to the Heat.
Horak would be an adequate replacement for his 6 goals and 23 pts in 45 games... playing 18 minutes a game -20!!!
Ganer is a 6 year NHL pro.... He is supposed to be a leader..... look how well he is leading the oilers.
I would be shocked if LA takes him off Edmonton's hands.
5 M / year for the next 2 years??? well for basically Stempniak.
Stempniak has more trade value than Gagner.
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I would take Clifford for Stempniak.
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02-06-2014, 10:29 AM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
I think Clifford plays his role better than Gagner.
This would actually make the Oilers a better team.
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Yup... Stillman for Conroy...
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02-06-2014, 10:30 AM
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#55
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by getbak
Sure it is. If you have $2M in cap space at the start of the season, you can add a $2M contract. If you have $2M in cap space with 25% of the season left, you can add an $8M contract. That's how the Flames were able to add Jokinen at the deadline in 2009.
Try the trade machine for yourself: http://capgeek.com/trade-machine/
Make the trade with "Today" as the date, and it's over the cap. Make it with "Deadline" as the date, and it's compliant. |
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02-06-2014, 10:32 AM
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#56
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Buff
I would take Clifford for Stempniak.
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what would you give for Gagner? Stajan? Colbourne? Bouma? a 4th round pick?
I wouldn't trade Stempniak for Gagner as at least Stempniak is gone next year.
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02-06-2014, 10:33 AM
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#57
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Strathmore
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
@TheFourthPeriod: EDM asked about Muzzin from LA but were told no last I heard. Martinez could be in mix w/ Clifford, but LA also wants to bolster D elsewhere
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IMO, the Kings will land Andrew MacDonald from the Isles.
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02-06-2014, 10:35 AM
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#58
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Originally Posted by Flickered Flame
IMO, the Kings will land Andrew MacDonald from the Isles.
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good bet. Actually he'd be perfect for them, only makes 550k this season and will be a solid 2nd pairing guy.
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02-06-2014, 10:41 AM
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#59
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Don't really like what the oilers are doing, they seem to just be swapping things around hoping something clicks... I feel they won't be able to challenge until they drop one of their big guys for some serious D help, til then... I guess we just sit back and watch.
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02-06-2014, 10:45 AM
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#60
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sylvan Lake
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Originally Posted by Scoutski
Don't really like what the oilers are doing, they seem to just be swapping things around hoping something clicks... I feel they won't be able to challenge until they drop one of their big guys for some serious D help, til then... I guess we just sit back and watch.
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Oh I do
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