Alright so if they don't finish dead last and continue missing the playoffs, will fans hand out their hard earned money for an inferior product? I say no. I don't blame them either. I know my uncle gave up his tickets and is no longer cheering for the team.
Really? didn't the rebuild start about 6 months ago?
Atta hang in there Uncle Superfan.
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Just curious, but this is your very first post in the Flames forum, maybe a little bit of reading through all the other threads would tell you that the majority of fans are behind this rebuild?
As much as I am frustrated with some of the coaching decisions that are made, I am still madly in love with the style of play the Flames are currently playing (in comparison to previous years). And I'll still be here in 3-4 years cheering when they start playing like a playoff/SC competing team, and the 'nucks are still stuck trying to win with the sedins Iginla style.
And on top of all of that, the city now has 300-400K more people then we did back in the late 90's. That is a massive factor that most people seem to be overlooking.
Also, add in the arrival of 24 hour sports networks, all sports radio, message boards and blogs. Sports are followed deeper than ever before, and younger people are becoming season ticket holders much more than used to be the case. The landscape is completely different now.
Don't forget the explosion of fantasy sports and gambling too.
Also, add in the arrival of 24 hour sports networks, all sports radio, message boards and blogs. Sports are followed deeper than ever before, and younger people are becoming season ticket holders much more than used to be the case. The landscape is completely different now.
Don't forget the explosion of fantasy sports and gambling too.
And the fact that sports now take up a higher portion of disposable income than ever before
How long have they trained to be a police officer or a teacher? a few years maybe. These greedy hockey players have trained their entire lives for the most part to get to the level they're at. If any one wants to complain that they're paid too much go see if you can even come a little bit close to what they can do. With a few years commitment I know I could be a teacher or cop but an NHL player not a chance even if I trained my whole life.
And that is worth $7 million? 6 years for a teacher. The training doesn't end once they become a teacher. There is also professional development along the way. I assume the same for a cop. Many if not most jobs have people train and learn throughout their entire career. In fact I'd argue a teacher has trained their whole life starting in grade 1. So your still saying athletes are worth more than cops and teachers (never mind nurses and doctors, etc.). Your right in the fact that if I trained my whole life I'd probably never make the NHL. Then again, I wasn't born with the biological size and natural abilities. I wasn't connected with the proper politics in sports either. I am sure athletes have worked and trained very hard. Don't doubt it and I believe they should be compensated for their effort. The fact is their job is not essential and they are embarassingly overpaid. They play a game for crying out loud! Being the best at chasing a rubber disk on ice does not equal being able to save a life or educate a child. That's my opinion though.
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And that is worth $7 million? 6 years for a teacher. The training doesn't end once they become a teacher. There is also professional development along the way. I assume the same for a cop. Many if not most jobs have people train and learn throughout their entire career. In fact I'd argue a teacher has trained their whole life starting in grade 1. So your still saying athletes are worth more than cops and teachers (never mind nurses and doctors, etc.). Your right in the fact that if I trained my whole life I'd probably never make the NHL. Then again, I wasn't born with the biological size and natural abilities. I wasn't connected with the proper politics in sports either. I am sure athletes have worked and trained very hard. Don't doubt it and I believe they should be compensated for their effort. The fact is their job is not essential and they are embarassingly overpaid. They play a game for crying out loud! Being the best at chasing a rubber disk on ice does not equal being able to save a life or educate a child. That's my opinion though.
Good. Get those tickets in the hands of people who will cheer for the Flames through the tough times and be rewarded for it in the very near future. You and your family can find another team to support. Say, the one from Detroit?
Was just about to say this exactly. Good riddance to them. Now the tickets can be used by true fans who support their teams through the tough times. Those are the best fans. Fans who give up on their teams suck.
I'm finding the rebuild to be interesting to watch. Sure, it's ugly at times like yesterday, but it's great to see the glimmers of brilliance and more offensive-oriented hockey that the Flames have. For the past few years, the Flames' style of play has been downright monotonous. I'm optimistic this rebuild will work out.
It's one of those things that some people are not going to be patient with a rebuild. Those people are the ones that overreact and cause huge problems. There is always a constant urge amongst Canadian teams management to appease those fans so that way the don't truly suck and that way the $ keep coming in. The problem with that approach is that it causes stupid things to happen that limit the overall abilities of the team to compete in the long term. Look at Toronto. Instead of taking their punches and rolling with them they traded Rask off for Raycroft, Seguin, Knight and Hamilton for Kessel and caused their team to be better than they should've been, causing them to not get great picks and their team is okay, but is not going to really compete for a cup any time soon.
The Flames need to not rush things either, and at least from the early returns, it appears that they are not. Getting Smid was probably the only move they made that rushed things a bit, but it's not a big deal as he's only a #4/5 D-man and is young, and we don't have anyone really pressing to take a spot on the back end.
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And that is worth $7 million? 6 years for a teacher. The training doesn't end once they become a teacher. There is also professional development along the way. I assume the same for a cop. Many if not most jobs have people train and learn throughout their entire career. In fact I'd argue a teacher has trained their whole life starting in grade 1. So your still saying athletes are worth more than cops and teachers (never mind nurses and doctors, etc.). Your right in the fact that if I trained my whole life I'd probably never make the NHL. Then again, I wasn't born with the biological size and natural abilities. I wasn't connected with the proper politics in sports either. I am sure athletes have worked and trained very hard. Don't doubt it and I believe they should be compensated for their effort. The fact is their job is not essential and they are embarassingly overpaid. They play a game for crying out loud! Being the best at chasing a rubber disk on ice does not equal being able to save a life or educate a child. That's my opinion though.
Terrible comparison. If we paid to watch teachers or cops at work, I'm sure they'd have fantastic pay cheques. However, no matter how vital each particular job may be, it's not entertaining. Professional sports are entertaining, therefore people will spend their hard earned money for that entertainment. The more people pay to watch, the more the participants, for lack of a better term, will be paid. Let's not forget, if you don't support the team by buying tickets, apparel, etc. then you really have nothing to complain about as you're not personally contributing any of your money towards it. However, cops and teachers are paid with public tax dollars, so whether you agree with how vital their job is or isn't, you HAVE to support it. I don't know about you but I don't want my tax dollars raised so that we can pay teachers and cops a million dollars/year.
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I remember people proudly wearing their cancelled tickets like a badge of honour a decade or more ago - even in places like CP. It's going to happen. Calgary is a really mediocre sports city for fan support, with enough corporate $ to sell tickets anyway.
The dome will be close to half empty by the end of the year already, even if the seats are paid. If the flames try to milk their ticket base with an Ahl roster for 3 or 4 years like the oilers have I think they will have a problem. If they are a playoff team or close they'll be ok though
Terrible comparison. If we paid to watch teachers or cops at work, I'm sure they'd have fantastic pay cheques. However, no matter how vital each particular job may be, it's not entertaining. Professional sports are entertaining, therefore people will spend their hard earned money for that entertainment. The more people pay to watch, the more the participants, for lack of a better term, will be paid. Let's not forget, if you don't support the team by buying tickets, apparel, etc. then you really have nothing to complain about as you're not personally contributing any of your money towards it. However, cops and teachers are paid with public tax dollars, so whether you agree with how vital their job is or isn't, you HAVE to support it. I don't know about you but I don't want my tax dollars raised so that we can pay teachers and cops a million dollars/year.
I'm sorry, not to offend you, but really? I understand that people spend money on pleasure and seeking happiness, but let's back up for a second. What gets most people to the level of affluence that's needed to pay these "entertainers"? It's the doctors that keep kids/adults healthy, it's the teachers/professors that educate children/academics, and the employees in public safety that keep entire communities safe. These are the people that give us the bread and butter of society and, in the case of public safety, lay their lives on the line to protect people. These are the people that drive innovation, and maintain our standard of living. While cultural things like music, sport, and gaming provide lifestyle to our lives, culture is something we can all cherish together. While I love the flames and follow them constantly, I get much more pleasure out of participating in my own music/sport/gaming that I can experience first hand. And I can do all three for years for less than the price of one season ticket package. As for Doctors/Academics/PS, those are the people that deserve better salaries for what they contribute to not only this generation, but future generations as humanity progresses. I'm not saying pay the doctor $7m per year, but level the playing field and respect the contributions to society of each role.
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I'm sorry, not to offend you, but really? I understand that people spend money on pleasure and seeking happiness, but let's back up for a second. What gets most people to the level of affluence that's needed to pay these "entertainers"? It's the doctors that keep kids/adults healthy, it's the teachers/professors that educate children/academics, and the employees in public safety that keep entire communities safe. These are the people that give us the bread and butter of society and, in the case of public safety, lay their lives on the line to protect people. These are the people that drive innovation, and maintain our standard of living. While cultural things like music, sport, and gaming provide lifestyle to our lives, culture is something we can all cherish together. While I love the flames and follow them constantly, I get much more pleasure out of participating in my own music/sport/gaming that I can experience first hand. And I can do all three for years for less than the price of one season ticket package. As for Doctors/Academics/PS, those are the people that deserve better salaries for what they contribute to not only this generation, but future generations as humanity progresses. I'm not saying pay the doctor $7m per year, but level the playing field and respect the contributions to society of each role.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion but the marketplace disagrees with you. The fact is professional sports and entertainment have millions and millions of fans that vote with their wallets as a form of entertainment. The fact that you sit in judgement of the fans, the league and the marketplace also has nothing to do with this thread. You are not questioning whether the city will support a rebuild of the flames but professional sports as a whole.
You are attempting to subvert the marketplace with your opinion. Doctors, Academics are compensated accordingly and have the free will of choice and determination in their lives. I don't fit into your model but I contribute on a daily basis and am compensated accordingly based on the choices I made in my life and the marketplace. Ranking a hockey player, a professional sport or a league with a doctor, PS or Academic is a useless endeavour because the two are not related. What you really want is control over all of economics of pro sports, the fans and to divert that money to your will.
I'm sorry, not to offend you, but really? I understand that people spend money on pleasure and seeking happiness, but let's back up for a second. What gets most people to the level of affluence that's needed to pay these "entertainers"? It's the doctors that keep kids/adults healthy, it's the teachers/professors that educate children/academics, and the employees in public safety that keep entire communities safe. These are the people that give us the bread and butter of society and, in the case of public safety, lay their lives on the line to protect people. These are the people that drive innovation, and maintain our standard of living. While cultural things like music, sport, and gaming provide lifestyle to our lives, culture is something we can all cherish together. While I love the flames and follow them constantly, I get much more pleasure out of participating in my own music/sport/gaming that I can experience first hand. And I can do all three for years for less than the price of one season ticket package. As for Doctors/Academics/PS, those are the people that deserve better salaries for what they contribute to not only this generation, but future generations as humanity progresses. I'm not saying pay the doctor $7m per year, but level the playing field and respect the contributions to society of each role.
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Again this argument holds little weight. Every single professional you listed is funded by tax dollars. You really want to increase the wages of pretty much every public servant out there? Where do you think this money will magically come from? Look inget giving recognition where it's due. Doctors, teachers, cops, nurses, etc. all play vital roles, however if all of these were million dollar jobs our country would be penniless. How's the standard of living going to be then? Also, you have to look at the prerequisites for each job. A armed forces soldier is a very important role, both at home and abroad. But there are little to no prerequisites to join the army. Now there might be an argument that the armed forces is a more important job than a doctor, but a doctor has to have a minimum of 11 years of post secondary just to be a GP. A job that requires higher levels of training will most of the time have better salaries. That's just the way it works in non-dictatorship nations. An exception to this case would be professional athletes and this can be explained by the number of jobs in each career. Take just Calgary, it has maybe 600 or more physicians. There are what, 25 players give or take throughout the season on the team. And those players, despite not needing any additional education, have developed a particular set of skills (Liam Neeson) that very very very few people have in the world. Now add that to the fact that they are employed in an entertainment industry type job that people are willing to pay to see, they make a lot of money. Are they more important than doctors or cops? Of course not. But they have the luck that their skills are something people will pay to see. And again if you think this is unfair, you are under no obligation to support the NHL at all. If none of your money is going towards this "entertainment" why do you care? Maybe we should find out how much the average Calgarian spends on the Flames, and you can donate that amount to the cops, or doctors or teachers unions. I have a public sector health care job and I can't even count how many times I (as part of a team) have saved someone's life. I can even think of 2 instances where I, by myself, saved 2 lives. And I don't think I should be paid more than Mike Cammalleri. Why? Because technically he could take 4 years of schooling and do what I do. No matter how much training/practice/etc. I do, I will never be able to replace him on the Calgary Flames.
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I have no issues with a rebuild but I do have a problem when it's being handled by one of the worst head coaches in the NHL. I don't like Hartley's management of the players this year at all and we aren't seeing any progression of team defense from last year in fact it's worst as it's gone from 28 to 30th.
