Sedins re-signed to 4 yr deals 7mil AAV each

[TjRhythmic]

Wasn't Kassian brought in to be that 4th 50 point guy. Him and Booth both I thought were to provide their depth scoring.

As for the Sedins. Term and dollar seems right. Don't think they'll drop off as much as people think. They play a very efficient game, and with Kesler on that line now he does a lot of the physical work. And I know everyone likes to hate everything Canucks, but the Sedins aren't really that soft, they are pretty hard to get off the puck.

With this signing though, Vancouver believes they have about a 3 or 4 year window, and well you have it, might as well go for it.

[FAN]

This is a good deal for both sides. The Sedins look like players who can keep up their production. The cap is going to go up and it beats handing out 7 year contracts and $$$ for free agent replacements.

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Fine by me. They won't be able to afford a proper supporting cast with 20 mil tied up in Luo and the Twins.

If the cap continues to go up, the Sedins remain first line players, and Luongo remains a #1 goalie, those three players are actually at a very good cap hit for their roles.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thing is the Canucks haven't drafted well since the Kesler pick either, so it is a similar issue for them.

Not quite true. They drafted Schneider (turned into a top 10 pick), Hansen, Edler, and Hodgson (turned into Kassian). Regardless, the biggest difference is that the Canucks are still a playoff team and have been one for the past 5 years and likely will make it again. The Flames have missed the playoffs 4 straight years and will likely miss the playoffs again. As exciting as this season has been with the play of Monahan, this rebuild does not figure to be a quick one or easy one and we've already suffered through those 4 years of missed playoffs. The Canucks on the other hand are rebuilding on the fly. They've managed to stay competitive without drafting well by making good UFA signings. It's not that we haven't made decent UFA signings it's just that our signings did little to change the fortunes of the team except make the team a little bit more competitive resulting in a lower draft pick.

So ya the Flames' future looks better than the Canucks but it should be. But it doesn't change the fact that the Flames obtained that brighter future by suffering through years of missing the playoffs.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

In five years we'll be saying they were so good, shame about never winning the big trophy. And then their rebuild starts just as Flames will be a powerhouse!

I sure as hell won't be saying that.

[Flash Walken]

really good deal for both the players and the team.

right in the sweet spot for term and dollars in my mind.

[mattcoco35]

I only like to read news about Sedins when one of them is getting laid out by a Flame. Let me know when that post is up would ya.

[Stats87]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thing is the Canucks haven't drafted well since the Kesler pick either, so it is a similar issue for them.

The young guys they do have (Shinkaruk, Schroeder, Horvat, Gaunce) are un-proven and are unlikely to provide that "4th" impact player that the Canucks need to be successful over the next 2/3 seasons.

So if they do want to win with the Sedins and add that 4th scorer they will likely have to either trade draft picks, prospects, or overpay on the UFA market.

So unless they hit a homerun in UFA they are going to have trade away future players/prospects in order to win a cup now, and that will serve to do is make them weaker in the future post-Sedins.

Not that 2004 is recent either, but the draft after Kesler yielded Schneider, Edler and Jannik Hansen. Also a solid 4th liner in Mike Brown.

From 2005 - 2010 their 1st round picks netted Bourdon, Grabner, White, Hodgson, Schroeder and that lovely Ballard trade. Two top 6 forwards, a piece that landed Ehrhoff and an unfortunate passing. As for Schroeder, jury is still out after an up and down 31 game stint last year. The general hope is you net two NHLers of some sort from each draft.


That said, their drafting could still have been better.

[Stats87]

I'm sure also the idea behind the Sedin's presence over the next few years is to help nurture and teach young talent. That way guys like Shinkaruk and Horvat won't be thrust into a difficult situation with big expectations, thus allowing them to develop. Something Edmonton continually misses the boat on.

[Stormchaser]

[Enoch Root]

$7m is fair value when they are 34. We shall see how it looks when they are 37.

[Mr.Coffee]

The Sedins are worth about 7 probably and the deal makes sense as has been mentioned. The other reason in my mind it's great to pile up the Sedins with cash is because they seem to be very charitable with it in Vancouver, making donations etc.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

$7m is fair value when they are 34. We shall see how it looks when they are 37.

I think it's too easy to get worked up over how a player will perform in the last year of his contract when we're talking about a 4 year contract as opposed to a 7-8 year one. But I think it's safer signing a 34 year old to a 4 year contract than a 29 year old to a 8 year contract. I mean how many years was Iginla worth his $7M a year contract here? 2 out of 5? Does anyone here think re-signing Iginla to that deal was a bad deal in hindsight? Ideally you have guys like Lidstrom and Selanne who signs one to two year contracts and then outperforms them every year, but not every player is going to be willing to do that.

[CSharp]

Kinda ######ed signing from both sides IMO. With this signing, there's really no improvement to the toughness of the team except for the fact that they have two aging twins that must play together as a unit, for the most part. They have lost that chance to get the cup several years ago to Boston and they (Canucks and the twins) are not gonna get that chance to get close to that cup run again. Everybody knows how to stop the Sedin twins once the playoff begins. They're almost like dandelions growing in nice grass. There are sure ways to kill off dandelions.

[mccalgary71]

Simply put. Henrick is worth it (actually a great deal for him ) but Daniel is totally Not.


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[opendoor]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Kinda ######ed signing from both sides IMO. With this signing, there's really no improvement to the toughness of the team except for the fact that they have two aging twins that must play together as a unit, for the most part. They have lost that chance to get the cup several years ago to Boston and they (Canucks and the twins) are not gonna get that chance to get close to that cup run again. Everybody knows how to stop the Sedin twins once the playoff begins. They're almost like dandelions growing in nice grass. There are sure ways to kill off dandelions.

And yet they're 10th and 14th in playoff points per game over the last half decade ahead of guys like Datsyuk, Iginla, Krejci, Toews, Richards, Hossa, and Kopitar.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by opendoor

And yet they're 10th and 14th in playoff points per game over the last half decade ahead of guys like Datsyuk, Iginla, Krejci, Toews, Richards, Hossa, and Kopitar.

Datsyuk, Krejci, Toews, Richards, Hossa and Kopitar must get totally bummed about that every time they look at pictures of themselves holding up the cup!

[jayswin]

You can tell this a good deal because the thread discussing it on Calgarypuck is only 3 pages a couple days after the fact. If it would have ben even remotely overpayment, there'd be minimum 500 posts by now talking about how it was the worst deal in the history of sports and how the Canucks are screwed.

[LickTheEnvelope]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Looks good for both sides. Canuck fans can't be too upset with it.

Twas what was expected. Nothing crazy on the good or negative side... simply fair deals.

On the 'supporting cast' the Nucks have Kesler, Burrows, Higgins, Hansen all locked up.

Can't see Santorelli or Richardson being issues... Then it's all about the younger guys coming Schroeder, Kassian, Horvat, Shinkaruk, Gaunce, Jensen, Archibald.

Not amazing but not the worst possibilities out there.

Dunno... still trying to figure out if the Canucks are better or not than the last couple years. Still wait and see.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by FAN

This is a good deal for both sides. The Sedins look like players who can keep up their production. The cap is going to go up and it beats handing out 7 year contracts and $$$ for free agent replacements.


If the cap continues to go up, the Sedins remain first line players, and Luongo remains a #1 goalie, those three players are actually at a very good cap hit for their roles.



Not quite true. They drafted Schneider (turned into a top 10 pick), Hansen, Edler, and Hodgson (turned into Kassian). Regardless, the biggest difference is that the Canucks are still a playoff team and have been one for the past 5 years and likely will make it again. The Flames have missed the playoffs 4 straight years and will likely miss the playoffs again. As exciting as this season has been with the play of Monahan, this rebuild does not figure to be a quick one or easy one and we've already suffered through those 4 years of missed playoffs. The Canucks on the other hand are rebuilding on the fly. They've managed to stay competitive without drafting well by making good UFA signings. It's not that we haven't made decent UFA signings it's just that our signings did little to change the fortunes of the team except make the team a little bit more competitive resulting in a lower draft pick.

So ya the Flames' future looks better than the Canucks but it should be. But it doesn't change the fact that the Flames obtained that brighter future by suffering through years of missing the playoffs.

That is not rebuilding on the fly, it is prolonging the inevitable.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That is not rebuilding on the fly, it is prolonging the inevitable.

Well success or failure can and will be judged. The point is they remain competitive and are attempting to rebuild on the fly. This really isn't a team that have traded away significant futures with little in the way of assets to show for it. Plus they have managed to at least rebuild their defense on the fly. Fact is they were able to replace Ohlund, Salo, and Mitchell, three top 4 defensemen through primarily free agency. They might have screwed up not having kept Schneider and Hodgson, but those two actually turned into younger assets. Obviously you never know how things would turn out and very few teams manage to successfully rebuild on the fly. But it's certainly easier to "buy time" when the team remains competitive.

[MyFlamesFirst]

I wish I could hate this signing more. From my perspective this seems like a good deal for Vancouver. The twins definitely could of fetched more on the open market.