Sedins re-signed to 4 yr deals 7mil AAV each

[Bertuzzied]

Ponies for everyone!!

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by getbak

This puts the Nucks just under $60M in cap hit for next season, with 15 players signed. As long as the cap goes up as expected, they shouldn't be in any cap trouble.

Also, unless they use it on Luongo or something, Booth is as good as bought out IMO.

[Stats87]

Ideal length would be 3 years, but I would have been shocked if they agreed to that. Im happy with this

[Galakanokis]

Just came from the rink, busy day down there today with lots of news. Everyone, obviously, seems very happy with the outcome.

[Huntingwhale]

Excellent signing by Gillis. Perfect term, good dollar amount, and both players are still elite regular season players.

The good news for Flames fans though is that as long as the Sedin's stick around, the culture will stay the same (ie no cup).

[Coach]

Term is decent. And the $ makes sense, at least for the next year or so. But those will be anchors when their 37 and aren't driving their teams offense anymore. And That could come as soon as next season.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by MattyC

And That could come as soon as next season.

Not likely. They still look like elite scorers this season, I don't think their play will drop off too much in the next 10 months or so.

[SuperMatt18]

Good signing, it was the right term and $ amount, but I'm not sure it was the right move.

Sedins are past the prime scoring years of their career now, and I'm not sure continuing with them as your best two players is going to win you a cup.

They potentially will look back at this, much like we look back at Iginla/Kipper 4 years ago, and say they should have traded them while the value was at it highest.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Both these guys have elite-level skills and top notch hockey smarts, so in that sense it's a good deal for the Canucks and well worth the money.

The only issue I see for the Canucks is that this means Henrik will remain captain until the end of this contract, and I just don't think he has the persona to be the captain Vancouver needs.

Again, ton of skill and among the best in the league, but he's also the same leader of that team that took 6-7 straight punches to the face and stood there looking at the referee in the Stanley Cup Finals instead of standing up for himself.

[Meers]

I'm surprised by how comparatively reasonable the term was.

Could the Canucks have replaced their point production for $14 M on the UFA market in the summer? No. So, from that perspective the deal is a no brainer for Gillis.

I expect they will be overpaid over the last year or two of the contract - but, given their manic fitness levels, there's a slim chance they might pull an Alfreddson and keep performing at a pretty high level.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by getbak

This puts the Nucks just under $60M in cap hit for next season, with 15 players signed. As long as the cap goes up as expected, they shouldn't be in any cap trouble.

This seemed like an understatement so I did a little capgeeking, and the way I figure it, assuming the cap goes up to $70M and with more or less the same roster they're icing now re-signed (21 guys), they'll be missing a 2nd line LW (I'm assuming Booth is bought out) and will have something like 8.8 million in cap space to find one.

That assumes that Horvat and Shinkaruk still aren't in the NHL. If you put Shinkaruk in the 2nd line LW spot, they end up with 7.9M in cap space with a full roster (again assuming a 70M cap).

The only guys they have to re-sign are the Chris Tanev, Dale Weise types who won't command huge dollars. I expect Zack Kassian will end up on a bridge contract for somewhere around 1M.

Originally Posted by Meers

I expect they will be overpaid over the last year or two of the contract - but, given their manic fitness levels, there's a slim chance they might pull an Alfreddson and keep performing at a pretty high level.

Worth remembering...

James Mirtle‏@mirtle38m
Cap is going to be at least in $76- to $80-million range by last year of the Sedin deals, or equivalent to $5.75-mil each in today's dollars

[Stats87]

What works in the Sedin's favor is that their game has never relied on speed, so it's not like slowing down with older age would affect their game.

What is also encouraging is they're still doing most of their damage even strength, because as it stands, the PP has been balls

[Stay Golden]

Rainbow Unicorns

[Jbo]

I thought Vancouver would look to some of its neighbours and realize the mistakes of other teams. Cough "Flames" Cough.

The twins are great players, and drive the Canucks, but as with any players on the wrong side of 30 you will see a small decline year over year.

Riding a team that you have not won a thing with (despite being so close) is what the Flames did. My real hope, as a Flames fan, is that the Canucks continue to build around an aging core, getting slowly worse, until they finally drop out. By then, Calgary and Edmonton (maybe) should be back on top and Easter can come all year round.

Long story short, if this is the team you think you can win with, the numbers are fine I guess.

[stemit14]

As a flames fan, I am happy that the Canucks will continue to keep their tradition of soft forwards who drop the ball in the playoffs.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Good signing, it was the right term and $ amount, but I'm not sure it was the right move.

Sedins are past the prime scoring years of their career now, and I'm not sure continuing with them as your best two players is going to win you a cup.

The Sedins could win a cup, but they'll need better depth behind them to do it. Look at Chicago; Toews scored at a 50 point pace last playoffs but they won because they had Kane, Hossa, Sharp, and Bickell all producing. The Canucks haven't had (and don't at the moment have) that kind of support. The Canucks' depth scoring in the last 3 playoffs has been absolutely atrocious.

The primary thing that will prevent the Canucks from moving from 1st/2nd round fodder to legitimate contenders is strong scoring depth. That team really needs a 4th legitimate 60-70 point guy in their top 6, or at least another 50-60 point guy to slot in the 4/5 spot with Burrows.

They potentially will look back at this, much like we look back at Iginla/Kipper 4 years ago, and say they should have traded them while the value was at it highest.

I'm not sure I buy that narrative for the Flames or the Canucks. Iginla (and to a lesser extent Kiprusoff) was never the problem. The problem was the Flames went nearly 2 decades without drafting a top 6 forward which meant they had to use expensive means (in both salary and assets) to flesh out their ranks. By 09-10 there were simply too many overpaid players on the roster for them to compete and then Sutter took his crazy pills around the deadline. I don't really see it playing out the same way for the Canucks. They might falter, but I don't think it'll be for the same reasons the Flames did.


Not to mention the realities of trading two players who won't be separated is kind of difficult. Retaining them was really the only sensible proposition. If the Canucks really do start to tank in the next couple of years then moving them could become an option. Making the decision to approach them for a trade now (and potentially running into a situation where they decide to just stay put and play out their deals and leave in July) could've been disastrous.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by J-bo09

I thought Vancouver would look to some of its neighbours and realize the mistakes of other teams. Cough "Flames" Cough.

The Flames' mistakes were simple; they couldn't draft worth a **** for a good 20 years so they had to patch up the team with expensive acquisitions and/or other teams' junk.

Whether the Canucks have learned from that remains to be seen (early returns aren't great, though there are a few gems), but to suggest that building around the Sedins (or Iginla for the Flames) is the source of the problem is missing the mark IMO. It wasn't that long ago that people were writing off San Jose but look what injecting a couple of talented drafted players has done for them.

[SuperMatt18]

Thing is the Canucks haven't drafted well since the Kesler pick either, so it is a similar issue for them.

The young guys they do have (Shinkaruk, Schroeder, Horvat, Gaunce) are un-proven and are unlikely to provide that "4th" impact player that the Canucks need to be successful over the next 2/3 seasons.

So if they do want to win with the Sedins and add that 4th scorer they will likely have to either trade draft picks, prospects, or overpay on the UFA market.

So unless they hit a homerun in UFA they are going to have trade away future players/prospects in order to win a cup now, and that will serve to do is make them weaker in the future post-Sedins.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Good deal and term for the Nucks. Thought they would have been looking for a 6 or 7 year deal. Gillies may not be too good at trading or drafting, but he sure is good at re-signing guys.

Sedins will definitely be regressing, but they will probably offer value for most of that contract. They would have gotten more term and cash on the open market I would bet, even as a package deal.

However, glad those creepy sisters are staying on the team I hate.

[Badgers Nose]

In five years we'll be saying they were so good, shame about never winning the big trophy. And then their rebuild starts just as Flames will be a powerhouse!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!