[Rumour] Phaneuf's next Contract...$50M over 7 years

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

One of the stupidest things I've read in the past few weeks.

Unless if by "brutal" you actually meant one the best at his position in the world, if that's the case, we're definatley on the same page.

That's laughable. Honestly I don't know how you evaluate him as one of the best. Is he good offensively? If the game is on the line, do you throw him out there to defend a one goal lead? No and no on both accounts. He's barely a top 4 guy on a decent team let alone top in the world.

I guess a lot of guys are still hanging on to the notion that he's the next coming of Bobby Orr when he broken into the league.

[The Fonz]

Didn't Kypreos say 7m per is where Phaneuf's camp set the bar?

In these negotiations it always seems the player will initially ask for about 15-20% more than where the dollar figure does finally end up landing.

Phaneuf asking for 7m per? I'll predict he re-signs @ 5.6m - 5.95m per.

[1991 Canadian]

I think Dion Phaneuf is an overrated player. He's a great offensive defenseman, but he peaked early and he's still riding that success. He's particularly fortunate because his early career success was under intense media scrutiny (World Juniors and Calgary).

The problem is, I don't see Phaneuf getting 50-60 points this year, let alone when he's 35. And lets be honest, if he's not being an offensive sparkplug, his defensive game is still pretty average.

Phaneuf should be getting Wideman money but his brand adds an extra 2 million per year. The Leafs will find out the hard way that that money would better spent on Morgan Reilly or Jake Gardiner in the coming years.

I already feel for Jake Gardiner. He has already been forced to take a lowball offer because the Leafs don't have any cap room to play with.

[OldDutch]

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...euf-worth-50m/

My takeaways:

- Dion is not a #1 D Man on a contender
- Is good enough to be one on a very young team
- Is a winner by circumstance, there are not many options if he leaves.

This is what I always thought, he has put up ok numbers (last year is hard to say he would have hit 18 goals, so take the half year with measure), but he won by going to the hype machine, and at a time when the team had little defense options.

I think that is what I have been reading from people who cover/fans the leafs, he is a guy turning a B game on a elite team, into an A+ paycheck on a slight above average one in the right market. Bottom line, he'll get it, but it will be over payment much like most of his career.

In a cap world, that is a mistake, but one the Leafs have little choice on.

[crazy_eoj]

Let's be clear, on a numbers only basis Dion is going to get something close to 7M/7 Years. He's the Captain on a playoff team, plays over 20 mins a night, kills penalties and puts up decent points.

If the Leafs aren't willing to pay him that, you can bet the deadbeats up north would in a heartbeat.

And there really isn't anyone the Leafs could get to easily replace Dion, so I think they end up doing this deal very close to what he is asking.
Would I want him on my team for that $ amount and term.... no friggen way.

[EVERLAST]

Prediction....Dion Phanoooof....the next Wade Reddon (sp)?

[HelloHockeyFans]

Clearly in the minority on this, but I think Phaneuf is a solid player. He has his holes (as all players do), but he brings a ton of his jam in his game which a lot of dmen don't. As a comparison, I take Phaneuf at 7 over Bouwmeester at 6.8 every day of the week. Better offence, similar minutes, worse defense but a lot more emotion from Phaneuf.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

But you're not going to get that, are you? CG is right, Wideman makes Phaneuf redundant on this roster.

He said he would take Wideman over Phaneuf in every aspect of their game and I disagreed. It is has nothing to do with someone making someone else redundant, he said he would take Wideman every day of the week and that is something i absolutely disagree with

[Red John]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Clearly in the minority on this, but I think Phaneuf is a solid player. He has his holes (as all players do), but he brings a ton of his jam in his game which a lot of dmen don't. As a comparison, I take Phaneuf at 7 over Bouwmeester at 6.8 every day of the week. Better offence, similar minutes, worse defense but a lot more emotion from Phaneuf.

Bouwmeester's AAV was never at 6.8 and his extension runs at 5.4 per.

Basically with the new CBA teams won't let good players go as UFAs since they know they can't plug those holes with other UFAs, which in turn means good players will almost never go UFA.

So the Leafs basically need to sign him. Let's face it he's a run-of-the-mill 40 point defenseman who is average defensively, logs big minutes and has a physical side. He isn't worth close to $7 million/year but he'll likely get his 6.5 again simply because the Leafs can't afford to lose him.

Him and Kessel at $15 million/year is going to cripple that organization. Both good players but neither the kind of guy you want to build a team around.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Not really shocked by this. This is what all-star caliber players are going to get from now on.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Prediction....Dion Phanoooof....the next Wade Reddon (sp)?

Unless Dion's mom dies, expecting a Redden-like decline seems foolish.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...euf-worth-50m/

My takeaways:

- Dion is not a #1 D Man on a contender
- Is good enough to be one on a very young team
- Is a winner by circumstance, there are not many options if he leaves.

This is what I always thought, he has put up ok numbers (last year is hard to say he would have hit 18 goals, so take the half year with measure), but he won by going to the hype machine, and at a time when the team had little defense options.

I think that is what I have been reading from people who cover/fans the leafs, he is a guy turning a B game on a elite team, into an A+ paycheck on a slight above average one in the right market. Bottom line, he'll get it, but it will be over payment much like most of his career.

In a cap world, that is a mistake, but one the Leafs have little choice on.

If the Leafs are an 'elite team' and Phaneuf is there number 1 defenceman, does it not follow that he IS in fact a number 1 D on an elite team?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by _Q_

That's laughable. Honestly I don't know how you evaluate him as one of the best. Is he good offensively? If the game is on the line, do you throw him out there to defend a one goal lead? No and no on both accounts. He's barely a top 4 guy on a decent team let alone top in the world.

I guess a lot of guys are still hanging on to the notion that he's the next coming of Bobby Orr when he broken into the league.

I think the last time you watched a full game from Phaneuf was 2009-2010 when we were still clinging on to that "Ian White is better" line hahaha.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by saillias

I think the last time you watched a full game from Phaneuf was 2009-2010 when we were still clinging on to that "Ian White is better" line hahaha.

Remember when that became 'Babchuk is probably better too!'?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by saillias

I think the last time you watched a full game from Phaneuf was 2009-2010 when we were still clinging on to that "Ian White is better" line hahaha.

Hahaha so funny.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by _Q_

He's barely a top 4 guy on a decent team let alone top in the world.

He may or may not be overrated but that statement is completely ridiculous.

[VictoryJuice]

lol all of us hate him cause i bet most of us still feel as if we got shafted in that deal... dont mind Dion would take him back but people are right about Wideman is basically the same thing, but better haha

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If the Leafs are an 'elite team' and Phaneuf is there number 1 defenceman, does it not follow that he IS in fact a number 1 D on an elite team?

You think it is a bit premature to call the Leafs elite? It is 12 games in. Last season they were a 5 seed in the East.

This elite thing gets tossed around way too much. PITS is elite, CHI is elite, TOR is not. Not yet anyways. If they win a cup or even make a final or two, win several presidents trophy's then lets talk. 8-4 in 12 games, come on.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If the Leafs are an 'elite team' and Phaneuf is there number 1 defenceman, does it not follow that he IS in fact a number 1 D on an elite team?

Outside of 12 games nothing supports the Leafs as an Elite team. In fact they are the test case for advanced stats being valid as every indicator points to them being far worse than they are. So until the end of the season you cannot say the Leafs are an Elite team and to be an elite team they need to make the Conference Finals or finish top 4 in the regular season.

As for Phaneuf I think he is a more physical version of Wideman. So that makes him woth around 6 million per season. I would take him on a 6 year 36 million dollar deal that we gave up no assets for. 7 million and I start to look elsewhere.

[neo45]

Leafs wouldn't even make the playoffs in our division. Not an elite team