Iggy looks AWESOME in B's silks. The whole thing seems to be a way better fit than Pittsburgh on every level. Boston fans will eat up his style of play, as long as he stays mad and mean.
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I agree. Iggy did the samething last night, good clean open ice hit on him and he goes after the guy. Just take the hit and move on.
To me that's fine, Iginla didn't like the hard hit, and let Gudas know he didn't appreciate it even though it was clean. That's what the instigator rule is for. It would be sad to see these types of fights be removed from the game.
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The highlights I have seen don't show Wilson going after Buoma. Did he jump him or just offer the invitation to dance and Buoma obliged?
Iggy's fight was a bit different in that he was sticking up for himself and not for someone else. You've got Iggy wanting to endear himself to his new fans, and Gudas is young and trying to make an impression on his team. It looked like Iggy got mad, said "do you want to go?", and they both dropped the mitts willingly. Still should have been an instigator, in my opinion, because the fight wouldn't have happened without Iginla's reaction to a clean hit.
If I'm Iginla, that's worth an instigator to make that impression, although it wasn't called anyway.
Yes. I thought the reffing in general was bush league and cost us the game last night. It almost cost us the best fourth liner we've had since Prust, too.
Reffing was terrible, and this was the highlight of poor officiating. Flames should have had massive PP time to build momentum here, instead the Caps got the momentum out of a great Bouma check.
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I think both fights were fine.
Bouma/Wilson:
Bouma rocked that guy, and ended up injuring him. In my books if you're Washington you send a message. That doesn't mean you send an enforcer out to take care of Bouma, that means that if there is someone out on the ice willing to defend their teammate, they go. The ridiculous part of it is the takedown. It's, as everyone has said, "bush league" and really embarrassing. Fighting is a agreed upon action, but you don't go trying to flip a guy over while he's on ice. It's childish and cowardly. When you're done, you slow it down and the refs come in, that's it.
Iginla/Goober:
Nothing wrong with this. Iginla didn't like the hit, asked the guy if he wanted to go, and the guy obliged. If Iginla had chased him down and just started punching that's one thing, but he asked him to go and they went, simple. No wrestling moves, no MMA, just a solid fight. Plus, it works as a deterrent. If you plan on laying out guys with big dangerous hits (clean, but a hit like that is always risky) then you need to be prepared to answer the bell if someone doesn't like it. It makes guys remember not to be careless, and think before they go running players.
All in all, the RIGHT type of fights. Nothing staged, no goons rolling around. That's the way fighting should be IMO.
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^ In your opinion, should the instigator rule have been invoked in either fight? I don't have a problem with the fights per se (except the takedown by Wilson, obviously) because sometimes a message needs to be sent. But I do think that the instigator rule should have applied to both.
If you don't like something that happened within the rules and want to send a message? Go for it. But the cost of that message should be two extra minutes. Sometimes it is worth it, but it shouldn't be free.
Absolutely, instigator on both. I think there's a little bit of argument for the Iginla fight because after suffering a pretty big and risky hit, he asked the guy and he agreed, whereas Wilson pretty much just went after him. Either way, if the instigator penalty is going to exist, it needs to be used. Had Hillen (I think that's his name?) not been injured and tried to scrap Bouma, I would've questioned the instigator a little bit on that one as well.
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I'm one of the ones that commented on it in the GD thread - this should be an automatic suspension. This punk, instigated the fight, fought with a visor on (penalty or not, wussy move from someone who's supposed to be so "feared for his fists", then the wrestling take down on a guy with no helmet.
This guy's face should be speed-bagged by every team's enforcer in the league this season - might be the only way to teach him respect and/or put a stop to his career before his pansy moves end someone elses.
Wilson get the instigator, and a dirty move, while both guys are grabbing and holding on, to then stick the leg and use it to brace Bouma's backside, while pushing/pulling Bouma's upper body over the leg and obviously backwards.
Hate what Wilson did, love what Iggy did. I really don't like when there is a clean hit and someone else jumps in. Iggy took a great hit and got up and wanted to fight the guy. Next time he has Iggy lined up, he might think twice about it which is the point. But for the someone else to jump you after a clean hit, it's dumb.
Wilson should recieve some kind of fine at least
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The guys on the radio this morning were saying that had Bouma been injured with the takedown, the punishment to Wilson would have been severe. It was a dangerous play that should not be allowed, and should be suspendable, no matter whether the player is injured or not.
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All in all, the RIGHT type of fights. Nothing staged, no goons rolling around. That's the way fighting should be IMO.
What you're describing is a fantasy. It's kind of like saying that we should allow speeding for responsible people doing it for a good reason. Reality just doesn't work that way.
As long as fighting is commonplace, there will be specialist fighters AKA goons. As long as fighting is considered an accepted part of the entertainment package, there will be staged fights.
The guys on the radio this morning were saying that had Bouma been injured with the takedown, the punishment to Wilson would have been severe. It was a dangerous play that should not be allowed, and should be suspendable, no matter whether the player is injured or not.
It's mind-numbingly stupid to not punish someone because no one got hurt. How friggin dense does this league have to be? First, no punishment (other than fake punishment) on Kessel for his lumberjack act, then crap like this from this Wilson punk. Shanny needs to de-insert his cranium from his rectum soon. Everyone's all up in arms about Parros and Orr for that fight (and the injury that I really think was accidental), but the result would have been just as bad and intentional had Bouma's melon hit the ice.
This is why attempted murder is still a crime. Not saying it's on par, just as an example that trying to do something and not succeeding should still be as big of a crime as trying to and succeeding.
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Easy solution is use the use the intent to injure penalty on moves like that. Bam 5 minutes. That should make players think twice.The NHL was very lucky last night.
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Originally I thought it was more of a Willi Plett style takedown, as you can see in the first fight of this video:
The difference is that Willi kind of cradles him as he takes him down to the ice, which is the complete opposite of what Wilson did. Its a lot worse looking back at it again, and its definitely dangerous looking at the Parros incident of this week, and the focus on brain injuries in sports today.
A fine/suspension should have been dealt out, but then again, Shanahan turns his eyes away from any 'unknown' player incidents.
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