As I mentioned in the other thread, they should have given him the full 19 minutes in penalties that we've seen dished out for instigating with a visor before.
5 for fighting,
10 minute misconduct,
2 for instigating,
and 2 for instigating with a visor.
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i agree that the takedown is a pretty big issue in hockey fights as far as serious injury go...
refs need to carry around pillows and throw them around the fighters next time a dust-up ensues -> problem solved.
That's not what we are saying, fight and be done, using a throw down like that is not needed and puts a player in a very risky position which can easily end up being a long term concussion problem. We have witnessed too many concussions in pro sports and are seeing the long term effects in memory, instability, depression, none stop headaches and suicides.
I know what it is like to deal with these long term concussion symptoms, I have had 3 major concussions(two sports related, one work) and about a dozen minor concussions, I cannot take a bump without feeling dizzy. Constant headache(every day of my life), the depression that goes along with this is real as you cannot put your thoughts together, you forget long time friends names and you pull back from society. I have been able to deal with it as best I can but some people cannot or do not seek professional help. This is a big problem in sports unfortunately.
That being said, yes I think the leagues should be doing as much as they can to stop concussions from happening. That includes tighter chin strap regulations so helmets do not come off as easily. I still think there is a place for fighting but this fight was unwarranted and a kids almost cracked his head open on the ice. Had his head been back he would have missed the rest of the year as there was that much force behind the takedown.
Definitely not. And I think it was Paul Maurice who echoed your exact thoughts in-between periods. I don't know wrestling terms, but what's the point of slamming someone on the ice? It looked like a WWF move. Bouma is very, very lucky because he was about "thisclose" to cracking open his skull on the ice. His lower back was able to take most of the fall.
That's what made my blood boil....how close he came to being seriously hurt...all because Wilson decided he was done fighting.
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No question, it was a take down and it looks like a bad trend. The Colten Orr take down was also a bad one and may have been unintentional. That being said allowing fighting is one thing but take downs and wrestling are a whole new direction.
I think it needs to be looked at, most fans like a good hockey fight but i am not a fan of MMA. I remember Alain Vignault saying that Zach Kassian had taken MMA training so it may very well be that NHL fighters are now moving in that direction.
Begin tried to do this type of move in pretty much every fight he had last year he just didn't have the strength/abilty to pull it off as cleanly (and dangerously) as Wilson did here. Don't remember Jones trying it but it does seem to be something that has increased more recently at the end of fights.
Begin tried to do this type of move in pretty much every fight he had last year he just didn't have the strength/abilty to pull it off as cleanly (and dangerously) as Wilson did here. Don't remember Jones trying it but it does seem to be something that has increased more recently at the end of fights.
Now that you guys mention it, I think it was Begin I was thinking off....I remember one close to the boards and thinking it was 5x as stupid because of that,
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Kerry Fraser responds to questions on the TSN web site. Figured I'd email and ask him about the lack of an instigator penalty to Wilson after Buoma's clean hit, and also about the increase in MMA-style takedowns and what he thinks should be done about them. I doubt he'll respond, but you never know. If he does, I'll post it here.
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Reminded me of that bush league move Begin pulled last year. No place for that.
I was just going to say this. The first time I actually saw this type of takedown was when Begin did it, and I remember feeling pretty embarrassed as a Flames fan by the move. Its totally bush, and is pretty dangerous to do.
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As I mentioned in the other thread, they should have given him the full 19 minutes in penalties that we've seen dished out for instigating with a visor before.
5 for fighting,
10 minute misconduct,
2 for instigating,
and 2 for instigating with a visor.
Instigating with a visor is no longer a penalty this season.
All players with fewer than 25 games of NHL experience are now required to wear a visor. As a result, the additional unsportsmanlike penalty for instigating a fight while wearing a visor has been deleted from the rule book.
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Don't like staged fights and i don't like these kind of fights. Sick of seeing players deliver a clean hit and have to fight right after. Need to get that out of the game.
I agree. Iggy did the samething last night, good clean open ice hit on him and he goes after the guy. Just take the hit and move on.
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Good topic. I'm with you. Wilson grabs the bottom of Bouma's pants and throws him over. If it's illegal it's an easy call to make. Using the feet to trip would be easy to call as well.
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I agree. Iggy did the samething last night, good clean open ice hit on him and he goes after the guy. Just take the hit and move on.
They were talking about this on the panel last night and basically said the best way to endear yourself to the Boston fans is to get in a fight in your first game. And I have to agree.
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