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cam_wmh · 09-11-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You do realize we can still see the first (bizarre) post you made in the thread, right?

Quoted for hilarity HAHAHAHA

Mean Mr. Mustard · 09-11-2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

Idiots who drink and drive are the worst of society and they're usually too stupid and hard headed to realize
They're a danger to themselves and everyone on the road.

Not to defend drunk drivers but do you have some sort of algorithm to determine who the worst members of society are? Are child molesters better than drunk drivers? People who beat their spouse? What about someone who intentionally goes out in order to kill people?

puckluck2 · 09-11-2013, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Not to defend drunk drivers but do you have some sort of algorithm to determine who the worst members of society are? Are child molesters better than drunk drivers? People who beat their spouse? What about someone who intentionally goes out in order to kill people?

Do you understand what the worst of society means? Sorry, I don't put them each in order from worst best to worst.

Bizarre post, why do you care?

jar_e · 09-11-2013, 09:46 AM

If this guy wanted to be as genuine as he's trying to appear in his youtube video, he would not have hired legal counsel, he would have shown up, self-represented, and plead guilty. Looks like this guy just wants his 15 minutes of fame instead of being genuinely sorry or passing on a message.

valo403 · 09-11-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jar_e

If this guy wanted to be as stupid as he's trying to appear in his youtube video, he would not have hired legal counsel, he would have shown up, self-represented, and plead guilty. Looks like this guy just wants his 15 minutes of fame instead of being genuinely sorry or passing on a message.

FYP.

There's nothing about hiring legal counsel that reflects poorly on anyone in anyway. These are not simple things, and there are often a number of small things that counsel can help lead you through when you're not in a position to do it yourself.

pylon · 09-11-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

FYP.

There's nothing about hiring legal counsel that reflects poorly on anyone in anyway. These are not simple things, and there are often a number of small things that counsel can help lead you through when you're not in a position to do it yourself.

What is stupid about owing up to a selfish, stupid mistake that cost someone their life? I was really hoping this guy would have used his plight, to send out a powerful and responsible message to young people.

Does it bother you that if people do the right thing, lawyers might lose valuable work? God knows how much lawyers love drunk drivers, and irresponsible morons. They provide a great stream of income. The worse the tragedy the better, right?

jar_e · 09-11-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

FYP.

There's nothing about hiring legal counsel that reflects poorly on anyone in anyway. These are not simple things, and there are often a number of small things that counsel can help lead you through when you're not in a position to do it yourself.

Oh I'm well aware of the importance of legal counsel. But most people don't post a confession online and state that he's accepting responsibility and then this happens. There's nothing stopping him from going in, self-representing, and pleading guilty.

undercoverbrother · 09-11-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by pylon

What is stupid about owing up to a selfish, stupid mistake that cost someone their life? I was really hoping this guy would have used his plight, to send out a powerful and responsible message to young people.

Does it bother you that if people do the right thing, lawyers might lose valuable work? God knows how much lawyers love drunk drivers, and irresponsible morons. They provide a great stream of income. The worse the tragedy the better, right?

Rathji · 09-11-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

FYP.

There's nothing about hiring legal counsel that reflects poorly on anyone in anyway. These are not simple things, and there are often a number of small things that counsel can help lead you through when you're not in a position to do it yourself.

Aside from obvious things like arguing in your defense about term or amount of fine, what kind of issues would you face if you didn't have a lawyer when you were pleading guilty?

Lots of extra paperwork to fill out? Have to file a request for section B in the triplicate on the 14th floor of the file requisition department to allow for them to fine you and lock you up?

I kind of assumed that if you walked in and said you were guilty, that they could figure out how to do the punishment part without a lawyer.

GreenLantern · 09-11-2013, 10:27 AM

So in that CNN video, at the end, the reporter says he still plans to plead guilty at a later date. Essentially the lawyers wanted him to get a different judge.. not sure why.

valo403 · 09-11-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pylon

What is stupid about owing up to a selfish, stupid mistake that cost someone their life? I was really hoping this guy would have used his plight, to send out a powerful and responsible message to young people.

Does it bother you that if people do the right thing, lawyers might lose valuable work? God knows how much lawyers love drunk drivers, and irresponsible morons. They provide a great stream of income. The worse the tragedy the better, right?

There's nothing stupid about owning up to something, it's just stupid to do it without having someone who knows the process help you.

And you can go pound sand with your second paragraph.

undercoverbrother · 09-11-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

And you can go pound sand with your second paragraph, especially after asking me for help when you needed it.

valo403 · 09-11-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jar_e

Oh I'm well aware of the importance of legal counsel. But most people don't post a confession online and state that he's accepting responsibility and then this happens. There's nothing stopping him from going in, self-representing, and pleading guilty.

I don't know his reasons for apparently putting off the guilty plea, my point was simply that you can accept responsibility while at the same time having counsel help you through the process.

Mean Mr. Mustard · 09-11-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

Do you understand what the worst of society means? Sorry, I don't put them each in order from worst best to worst.

Bizarre post, why do you care?

If something is the worst, it implies that they are worse than all others, an absolute worst of society, in other words, a ranking system has been developed. It was more just a question than anything else as to why you would choose that terminology.

Obviously what this guy did was awful and he continues to act in a reckless manner with the emotions of the victims families and I doubt he will get any more sympathy from anyone.

pylon · 09-11-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern

So in that CNN video, at the end, the reporter says he still plans to plead guilty at a later date. Essentially the lawyers wanted him to get a different judge.. not sure why.

Because I believe the judge and prosecutors stated that the video will make little to no difference in the sentencing as they already had all the evidence they needed. Which in turn tells me that the whole point of the video was to hope they would give him a lighter sentence for posting his crocodile tears.

This guy was hung out to dry regardless, and he threw up a half court hail Mary, only to get a bunch of air.

puckluck2 · 09-11-2013, 10:30 AM

valo403 · 09-11-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rathji

Aside from obvious things like arguing in your defense about term or amount of fine, what kind of issues would you face if you didn't have a lawyer when you were pleading guilty?

Lots of extra paperwork to fill out? Have to file a request for section B in the triplicate on the 14th floor of the file requisition department to allow for them to fine you and lock you up?

I kind of assumed that if you walked in and said you were guilty, that they could figure out how to do the punishment part without a lawyer.

I'm not really familiar with the criminal side of things, particularly the procedure stuff, but one thing I could think of off the top of my head would be making sure that what you are pleading guilty to actually corresponds with what you did. It's not ridiculous to think that the charge brought and plead to didn't fit the actions.

It seems like there's some procedural issue here that caused him to enter an initial not guilty plea, I don't know if that's an 'avoid responsibility' move or a result of the timing and process.

pylon · 09-11-2013, 10:34 AM

nm

Ark2 · 09-11-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

Do you understand what the worst of society means? Sorry, I don't put them each in order from worst best to worst.

Bizarre post, why do you care?

I thought your initial post was overly dramatic and warranted having the question asked. Drunk drivers are the worst of society? If only that were the case, but it's not even close.

pylon · 09-11-2013, 10:46 AM

I will apologize to Valo403 for my statement. I should have said "Some lawyers." I know not every lawyer is an ambulance chasing scum bag. I am related to a couple lawyers that avoided the whole criminal defense side of law because their conscious couldn't let them. And I am sure their are a ton out that that wouldn't as well.

However, bringing up the fact that I inquired about legal help, in a very ambiguous way, is pretty damn irresponsible thing, for a lawyer to do on a public forum. There are a lot of assumptions that could be made with a statement like that.