Summer Prospect Ranking Poll Round 11

[Lanny_McDonald]

Of the players left I firmly believe that Agostino, Arnold, Granlund, Harrison, Horak, Ramage and Reinhart will be NHLers in the near future. If that promise is attained with the Flames is another story. I think the best of the bunch is still Reinhart, but it is very close. Really like Granlund, Agostino, And Ramage as future Flames. Horak needs to establish himself in a position this year or he's going to be surpassed in short order by a guy like Arnold. Harrison is a long term player that I think takes over on the 4th line makes a guy like Bouma or Ferland expendable in three or four years. Nice to be able say this type of stuff as all of these kids have potential to play I the NHL.

[djsFlames]

Granlund should have been taken before Poirier and Klim but nonetheless should absolutely be taken here. Agostino is close. Horak shouldn't count, imo.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It was due to the lockout sure, but then when Flames camp opened he made the team, played two games and was dispatched when camp injuries cleaned up.

He then played four games in February and was sent down again until the Flames cleaned house and went with youth.

That's hardly an established NHL season and the reason I still consider him a prospect.

Except he played 61 games the season before. Some might have removed him as a prospect then. Do you then add him back to the prospect list the following season because he played less games? Makes more sense to me to have a specific number of games total rather then a percentage played of a season.

But like I said, everyone has their definitions. He doesn't meet the traditional definitions though (HF, NHL, HN, etc).

[tempz]

Went with Agostino here. Only because I personally have a hard time qualifying someone with 81 games in the NHL (Horak) as a prospect still. I feel like Agostino is still a relative unknown amongst our fanbase and he has a huge upside IMO.

Also just went through some of the other polls and noticed I voted for Jooris in round 1?? I have no idea how that happened.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Went Reinhart again. We are down to the 2b/3a ceiling players. A center that plays a complete 200' game is worth more in trade value. Could have made a case for Horak but i think the flames see him as a winger.

Conroy's interviews make it sound like they would have preferred Horak was played at centre last year in the Abby. It sounds like they actually think he's more of a centre.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Except he played 61 games the season before. Some might have removed him as a prospect then. Do you then add him back to the prospect list the following season because he played less games? Makes more sense to me to have a specific number of games total rather then a percentage played of a season.

But like I said, everyone has their definitions. He doesn't meet the traditional definitions though (HF, NHL, HN, etc).

But looking at games played doesn't tell you the circumstances around those games. His first season he was sent down later in the year. Which indicated he hadn't established himself as a full time NHLer yet. It is a different situation from starting the season in the minors and then playing the last 61 games of the season. Had he done that and then stayed up for most of this year then he'd definitely be graduated. This past season he didn't really establish himself as a full time NHLer either. Both he and Baertschi were up and down all year. Both are still prospects IMO until they finally stick for good.

I think he'll establish himself as a full time NHLer this upcoming season.

[Fire]

Wow, close race with 4 votes separating Horak, Agostino and Granlund.

[dammage79]

Granlund! Should be ahead of both agostino and horak. Playing well in the Finnish elite league should give him the slight edge. I like horak but like many others here I just do not see him as a prospect anymore. Agostino is good and should right fully be top fifteen but not ahead of granlund.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that markusay end up being a more productive nhler than his brother. In a huselius kind of way.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Except he played 61 games the season before. Some might have removed him as a prospect then. Do you then add him back to the prospect list the following season because he played less games? Makes more sense to me to have a specific number of games total rather then a percentage played of a season.

But like I said, everyone has their definitions. He doesn't meet the traditional definitions though (HF, NHL, HN, etc).

I think a guy is a prospect until he sticks with the NHL club no questions asked, or becomes a suspect and is no longer in the plans of the team at all.

One is a negative, one a positive, and Horak is stuck between the two to date which I think makes him a prospect. That is evidenced by his step backwards last year by not making the team out of camp for more than two games

Add in the fact that he's not a guy aged 32 that I'm trying to make a case for, and still on his entry level contract and I have him a prospect.

Just my view though.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Fire

Wow, close race with 4 votes separating Horak, Agostino and Granlund.

I'm tempted to halt this poll and launch a round 11 run off with the three players in question right now

[SuperMatt18]

Think a re-vote is needed with just Horak, Granlund, and Agostino.

Too close to pick one of those 3 as a definitive winner.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

At least nobody is picking Nemisz anymore.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Think a re-vote is needed with just Horak, Granlund, and Agostino.

Too close to pick one of those 3 as a definitive winner.

I don't think the exact order between 12-14 is that important.

[the_only_turek_fan]

[QUOTE=Bingo;4357752]I think a guy is a prospect until he sticks with the NHL club no questions asked, or becomes a suspect and is no longer in the plans of the team at all.

/QUOTE]

I can't see any circumstance that Baertschi gets sent down this October.

I think he is a full time NHL player now.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I can't see any circumstance that Baertschi gets sent down this October.

I think he is a full time NHL player now.

Agreed. But he still fits the prospect definition until then. We did vote him the #2 prospect. And Horak is in a similar situation. Very likely to make the Flames full time and never see the minors again.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I can't see any circumstance that Baertschi gets sent down this October.

I think he is a full time NHL player now.

He's 20 years old and only got 25 career GP. Definitely a prospect still, no question.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Still Granlund for me. He's got the potential to be a 2nd line material.

Like others have said, went with Granlund. The amount of pro games played by Horak takes him out of contention for me. Still some great kids left on the board!

[Vinny01]

Went with Horak due to his previous experience and solid start to his AHL season last year. He is arguably not a prospect but still going to development camp and on his elc so I think he does still count

[Bingo]

Closed for a run off