Idea: Carolina-Calgary trade (Gio for pick #5)

[Fighting Banana Slug]

It's tempting, but be careful with a scorched earth policy. Didn't work so well up north.
It is still important to have players across the age and experience spectrum. The Flames are hurting for the guys in their prime (25-29 or so). Gio is certainly tradeable with a good return, but I wouldn't want an entire team of youngsters without any leadership or experienced veterans to lend guidance. Gio is likely more valulable to the Flames than any other franchise.

[Tinordi]

I must be in some parallel universe where Giordano is worth the 5th overall.

:Baghead:

[Rubicant]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

It's tempting, but be careful with a scorched earth policy. Didn't work so well up north.
It is still important to have players across the age and experience spectrum. The Flames are hurting for the guys in their prime (25-29 or so). Gio is certainly tradeable with a good return, but I wouldn't want an entire team of youngsters without any leadership or experienced veterans to lend guidance. Gio is likely more valulable to the Flames than any other franchise.

I think the problem with the Oilers is the overall way their team is constructed, not necessarily their demographics.

Very poor defence and mediocre goaltending can't be masked by having two small, skilled top lines.

[CaptainCrunch]

With the way this draft and especially the first 5 picks being hyped as franchise changers Gio doesn't have enough value to get a top 5 pick.

Your looking at a Gio +++ like Bart to get the deal done.

[Imported_Aussie]

More likely Buffalo is a trade partner for Carolina here - offering Tyler Myers. Myers is a young, potentially high upside D who looks like a change of scenery may help restore his offensive production and defensive play.

[Poe969]

Myers has too big of a contract. Plus, we're getting him!

[SebC]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Looking at it from a Canes perspective I still fail to see how that's a smart move for them.

It might not be, but it fits what they are reported to be looking for.

[CliffFletcher]

If Carolina puts the 5th pick up for auction to all the teams in the NHL, does anyone really think they wouldn't get an offer better than Gio + the 22nd? In a draft where the 5th pick is the equivalent of the 2nd/3rd in a lot of drafts?

Gio would be the throw-in in any deal for the 5th pick, not the main piece.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If Carolina puts the 5th pick up for auction to all the teams in the NHL, does anyone really think they wouldn't get an offer better than Gio + the 22nd? In a draft where the 5th pick is the equivalent of the 2nd/3rd in a lot of drafts?

Gio would be the throw-in in any deal for the 5th pick, not the main piece.

We can add and add and add if we wanted to. Gaudreau, Glencross (if willing to explore trade), Stempniak (cost efficient 20 goal scorer at 2.5 for a year has some value in a package deal IMO). The Flames would be in the thick of it for sure if they really wanted to.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

It's tempting, but be careful with a scorched earth policy. Didn't work so well up north.
It is still important to have players across the age and experience spectrum. The Flames are hurting for the guys in their prime (25-29 or so). Gio is certainly tradeable with a good return, but I wouldn't want an entire team of youngsters without any leadership or experienced veterans to lend guidance. Gio is likely more valulable to the Flames than any other franchise.

^ this should really be stressed a bit more around here.

I understand that some people are worried that keeping Tanguay could hurt the future of the organization because some of his "attitude problems" could rub off on the young guys.

Personally, I am more concerned about having a team with so few veterans that the identity of the team is driven by the young kids and they have no one to set a good example for them. Giordano definitely has value to the Flames because he provides that leadership that should help mold our players for the better of the team's future.

I would like to think that Giordano is worth the #5 pick. Partially because I think he is a high value player on a reasonable contract and partially because most people agree that the first talent drop off in the draft is at #5 which makes the pick worth significantly less than a 1-4 pick.

[puckedoff]

We really don't have the assets unless the 6th overall is involved and at that point is it really worth it to move one spot?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

We really don't have the assets unless the 6th overall is involved and at that point is it really worth it to move one spot?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: if the Russian somehow gets selected in the top 4 then one of the big names will drop to 5. Then it would be worthwhile to move up but I am really not sure if the gap between Monahan versus Barkov is really that big. I certainly wouldn't make a big offer for that move.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I would like to think that Giordano is worth the #5 pick. Partially because I think he is a high value player on a reasonable contract and partially because most people agree that the first talent drop off in the draft is at #5 which makes the pick worth significantly less than a 1-4 pick.

It's a small drop off, not a jump into the Grand Canyon. That #5 pick is still very valuable.

Gio turns 30 this season, and his cap is just over 4 million, it's not like it's a steal of a deal. He was darn near terrible for most of last season.

If you were a Canes fan would you be happy with that return?

[korzym12]

Camalleri has to pull-off a Bouwmeester with his play this year, it's better to see if his value could get raised..then get rid of him at the deadline.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by dammage79

We can add and add and add if we wanted to. Gaudreau, Glencross (if willing to explore trade), Stempniak (cost efficient 20 goal scorer at 2.5 for a year has some value in a package deal IMO). The Flames would be in the thick of it for sure if they really wanted to.

Sure. And they would be trading Brodie + a first + more in that situation. They could get a Stempniak equivalent for less than this, and I doubt the Flames even consider trading Glencross - a guy who wants to be here and looks to be the go-to scorer next season - for much less than a package that sees MacKinnon coming our way.

If you want to speculate about the Flames drafting top five in this draft, any deal that does not involve us giving up the 6th pick, plus Brodie or Baertschi + more is not realistic.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

This team is 3 to 4 years from being competitive.

Do you recall 3 years ago, many people cryin for Flames management to start the rebuild? Asking to trade Iginla while his stock is the highest?

Now, we have a 30 yo top 4 defender who is at his prime, coming off a sub-par year but with a decent contract and still able to elevate his game. Has many tools in his tool-box, so to speak.

Losing Gio is not going to make this club worse than they are already projected to be. 30th.

Why on earth would we hold onto Gio? Why would we not move him for another 1st round pick if possible? Chance to use him with another piece (not backlund or our skilled youth) to trade into the top 5?

Thats a no brainer. Hes going to be 33 or 34 before the Flames are in a position to compete, at best.

Get what we can for our older assets, thats the point right? Rebuild?

yeah, but most of the posts aren't saying to keep Gio; rather they are saying that there is no way that Gio or Gio + 22nd pick gets you the 5th pick.

I agree that trading Gio should be something that is looked at. The problem is that he had such a poor year last year, so his value is diminished...