Offseason - strategy of exploiting teams in cap trouble

[blankall]

Would really like to see the Flames be aggressive with another offer sheet here. I'd easily give up a 2nd for a player like Tanev. Worst case scenario is that Vancouver matches, and it pushes Vancouver into an even worse cap scenario.

The Rangers are similarly going to be in trouble. Would love to steal some of their players too.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Nobody paid what the flames thought those players were worth. They are still trade assets this summer or next deadline. No need to sell low if the returns offered were no good

And why would a Riberio or other UFAs signed onto a 2-year deal for 5M bring the Flames great picks at the trade deadline.

This summer these guys are closer to being Flames buyouts rather than increased trade value. The other teams with cap room will be looking to get get guys like these AND a second round pick for a third round pick..... The teams in cap trouble might be interested in these 2-3.5 M contracts if the Flames take back their 6M mistakes.

However you might be able to get a 4th pick for Stajan or Stempniak as a rental at next trade deadline.... more for 2 months of Cammalleri.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

And why would a Riberio or other UFAs signed onto a 2-year deal for 5M bring the Flames great picks at the trade deadline.

This summer these guys are closer to being Flames buyouts rather than increased trade value. The other teams with cap room will be looking to get get guys like these AND a second round pick for a third round pick..... The teams in cap trouble might be interested in these 2-3.5 M contracts if the Flames take back their 6M mistakes.

However you might be able to get a 4th pick for Stajan or Stempniak as a rental at next trade deadline.... more for 2 months of Cammalleri.

Stajan and Stempniak, the Flames 2 best forwards this season will each be worth more than a 4th rd pick each.

Good value contracts, as well.

Why would they not be attractive to other teams, pre -draft?

Buyouts, I think not.

[timbit]

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[Nandric]

Originally Posted by timbit

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Im glad you thanked that Fotze

[return to the red]

First cheering on losses for the first overall pick and now all this talk of offersheets to speed up the rebuild...We are treading dangerously close to Oilers fan territory people. What's next, asking Vancouver fans "how many cups have you won?"

In case you can't tell i'm not a big fan of the offer sheets, it's a great way to piss off other GM's for something that may or may not work. There was a time that people were screaming at Sutter for trading away draft picks now everyone just wants to hand them over at a greater price???

I'm confused

[nik-]

It's not that I'm opposed to offer sheets totally, I just think that right now is a terrible time for us to do them. We have a crap prospect pool and we're going to toss away multiple picks, when our team is likely going to be the worst it's ever been?

It's incredibly impatient and shortsighted. When we have multiple prospects sitting there and they're graduating, maybe then offer sheet someone to fill a hole. Doing it this summer would be moronic.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's not that I'm opposed to offer sheets totally, I just think that right now is a terrible time for us to do them. We have a crap prospect pool and we're going to toss away multiple picks, when our team is likely going to be the worst it's ever been?

It's incredibly impatient and shortsighted. When we have multiple prospects sitting there and they're graduating, maybe then offer sheet someone to fill a hole. Doing it this summer would be moronic.

Disagree.

2nd and 3rd round picks (even high ones) have a very slim chance of success. If we can find those players who are already somewhat established while being very young, we are merely removing uncertainty from the rebuilding process. I don't see how that is short sighted.

Essentially we are getting more now than we are likely to ever get with our own 2nd and 3rd round picks. We also have a unique opportunity to take advantage of this as the cap is going down this year.

The rebuilding process is not going to be a 7 year process, or at least it shouldn't if done right. Acquiring player who are 20-23 is not going to delay the rebuild. Those players will be 26-27 (aka just entering their prime) by the time the rebuild is done.

Edit: Only on the internet is acquiring a player who is 20-23 years old, considered short sighted.

[Stay Golden]

I think Feaster thinking he can scoop uo qulity players from teams in cap trouble in the off season is wishful thinking at best.
I think they are just trying to satisfy a angry disappointed fan base.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I think Feaster thinking he can scoop uo qulity players from teams in cap trouble in the off season is wishful thinking at best.
I think they are just trying to satisfy a angry disappointed fan base.

I don't think they'll be able to scoop up any quality players because of cap troubled teams, but they might be able to scoop up some draft picks by taking on crappy players with over priced contracts.

[moon]

Originally Posted by blankall

Disagree.

2nd and 3rd round picks (even high ones) have a very slim chance of success. If we can find those players who are already somewhat established while being very young, we are merely removing uncertainty from the rebuilding process. I don't see how that is short sighted.

Essentially we are getting more now than we are likely to ever get with our own 2nd and 3rd round picks. We also have a unique opportunity to take advantage of this as the cap is going down this year.

The rebuilding process is not going to be a 7 year process, or at least it shouldn't if done right. Acquiring player who are 20-23 is not going to delay the rebuild. Those players will be 26-27 (aka just entering their prime) by the time the rebuild is done.

Edit: Only on the internet is acquiring a player who is 20-23 years old, considered short sighted.

The kind of guys that we are going to be overpaying and only giving up 2nd or 3rd rounders aren't going to be very worthwhile or helpful for anything other than finishing 10th instead of 14th/15th.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by blankall

Would really like to see the Flames be aggressive with another offer sheet here. I'd easily give up a 2nd for a player like Tanev. Worst case scenario is that Vancouver matches, and it pushes Vancouver into an even worse cap scenario.

The Rangers are similarly going to be in trouble. Would love to steal some of their players too.

You're asking Feaster to play dirty, why would he want to make enemies of all of his peers, it servrely limits his ability to make the future deals we all love to fantasize about.

Once in a blue moon you take a shot, which he tried already. Forget the rfas and focus on developing from within and drafting smartly. That's the only way this gets turned around.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Ok, I see what you mean. It just comes down to if you think either is worth our first + a third, when it's likely neither of those guys propels us to better than than an 8-10 pick. I don't think either do that, especially considering we'll be seeing teams like Anaheim, Vancouver, LA 6 times each plus a more mature Edmonton team, and a wildcard in Colorado who with better coaching could be a big threat.

I'm Certain the Flames feel they can be a 7 - 12 team again within a year, and there are some if's here, but if one of the 3 young goalies coming to camp next year can play well, (example only) if they could add McKinnon, Clarkson, and Shattenkrik. I don't completely disagree.

I think a 10 - 15 pick and a 3rd is worth a 24 year old established top 4 d-man every day of the week.

[FAN]

I just don't see Feaster as the type of GM who will be circling around waiting to "exploit" another team in cap trouble... nothing like Malakhov deal, Tallon picking up Chicago's pieces, or even an Ehrhoff deal. Feaster likes to make a splash. The thought that the player they acquired is some team's deadweight or undesirable might be too much for him to handle.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by blankall

Disagree.

2nd and 3rd round picks (even high ones) have a very slim chance of success. If we can find those players who are already somewhat established while being very young, we are merely removing uncertainty from the rebuilding process. I don't see how that is short sighted.

Essentially we are getting more now than we are likely to ever get with our own 2nd and 3rd round picks. We also have a unique opportunity to take advantage of this as the cap is going down this year.

The rebuilding process is not going to be a 7 year process, or at least it shouldn't if done right. Acquiring player who are 20-23 is not going to delay the rebuild. Those players will be 26-27 (aka just entering their prime) by the time the rebuild is done.

Edit: Only on the internet is acquiring a player who is 20-23 years old, considered short sighted.

over 3.4 million on an offer costs a 1st. Who is going to be worth sniping from another team at less than that that won't immediately be matched?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by nik-

over 3.4 million on an offer costs a 1st. Who is going to be worth sniping from another team at less than that that won't immediately be matched?

Tanev is a great example. I'm sure there are many others.

[moon]

Originally Posted by blankall

Tanev is a great example. I'm sure there are many others.

Tanev is a great example of a mediocre-below medicore guy we don't need to add for picks while overpaying.

[Rubicant]

Originally Posted by moon

Tanev is a great example of a mediocre-below medicore guy we don't need to add for picks while overpaying.

Great goalie though.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Husky

I am guessing a team will buy out player x before trading away quality assets in a package to move the salary.

Still increases supply in the face of low demand.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

You're asking Feaster to play dirty, why would he want to make enemies of all of his peers, it servrely limits his ability to make the future deals we all love to fantasize about.

Once in a blue moon you take a shot, which he tried already. Forget the rfas and focus on developing from within and drafting smartly. That's the only way this gets turned around.

They aren't his peers. They are competitors. Competitors that have been exploiting the Flames ' situation for years.