Man sexually assaulted by four women

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by BigNumbers

I guess sarcasm is a lost art on the internet... I should know better than to be sarcastic in text. my bad.

PLEASE READ MY ORIGINAL POST IN IN SARCASM FONT (tm)

You posted that after several serious comments that basically said the same thing. Not really hard to see how that could me misinterpreted.

Anyways, I don't even think we need to bring gang-rape in the discussion to create an analogy with male on female sexual assault. Some of you would be more outraged over some guy grabbing your girlfriend's ass at the bar than this incident.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Dion

An assult is an assult wether it be a man or a woman. Ignorant comments about a supposed drunken handly are one of many reasons men don't come forward. He didn't deserve whatever he got from those 4 women.

Yup. We know that victim-blaming/shaming is a huge reason why more women don't report sexual assaults. I don't think it's a stretch to consider it the main factor in why most men don't come forward.

[SebC]

Serious question, is there a legal threshold at which point alcohol impairment becomes sufficient to negate consent? Because it seems obvious to me that if you're passed out, you can't consent, but after a glass of wine, you can. In between, things can get a bit murky.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by SebC

Serious question, is there a legal threshold at which point alcohol impairment becomes sufficient to negate consent? Because it seems obvious to me that if you're passed out, you can't consent, but after a glass of wine, you can. In between, things can get a bit murky.

Technically speaking, any level of inebriation can be enough to nullify consent.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Technically speaking, any level of inebriation can be enough to nullify consent.

Well, logically speaking, that's ridiculous.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by SebC

Well, logically speaking, that's ridiculous.

I was more referring to BA content. I should have clarified by saying the complainant has to be considered incapable of giving consent. If a girl gets smashed off a glass of wine due to a low alcohol tolerance, she's just as incapacitated as the chick who bombs through a bottle of tequila.

[Hockeyguy15]

Another angle people aren't thinking about is maybe he is married or in a serious relationship, and that made him more likely to press charges?

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Another angle people aren't thinking about is maybe he is married or in a serious relationship, and that made him more likely to press charges?

Well he is only 19 years old


Anyways if the genders were reversed and it was 4 older 200 pound guys and a barely legal drunk girl there may actually be jail time involved. Gender shouldn't play a role in sexual assaults and their punishments, but we are kidding ourselves if we don't think they do.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by neo45

Well he is only 19 years old


Anyways if the genders were reversed and it was 4 older 200 pound guys and a barely legal drunk girl there may actually be jail time involved. Gender shouldn't play a role in sexual assaults and their punishments, but we are kidding ourselves if we don't think they do.

So he can't be in a relationship?

My only point is put yourself in his shoes, if you are 19 and single maybe this is just another story you tell friends. If you are 19 and have a girlfriend/wife you love and now you feel violated and guilty?

[speede5]

This happened to a guy when I was in training at CFB Borden. Young guy, probably still a virgin, 2 girls got him drunk and took him home. He went to the police and had a real hard time with it. They had tied him up and done things, tried to get him to do things. I don't think too many guys would be all that enthuzed to have some girl they aren't interested in shoving their snapper in your face, blowing you, exposing you to disease, etc.

Anyone who think this isn't assault and worthy of charges is a f***ing idiot.

[mykalberta]

Those fatties should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. This is purest ideals of a porn script gone way way way (2-300lbs) to far.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Any sexual act preformed on or with someone but lacking in their enthusiastic consent is sexual assault.

Let's not go overboard here... If the consent needs to be enthusiastic, most married guys are serial rapists.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Not saying he wasn't assaulted or that it wasn't wrong but I know if I was in that position I would be brawling my way out of the situation.

I am going to guess that this thread breaks off in two directions with some people getting offended over fat jokes and others offended over someone implying a man can't be raped.

Given the way that our culture views assault, and the way the police typically respond to allegations of it, it wouldn't surprise me if that turned into 'man arrested for physically assaulting 4 women'.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by neo45

Well he is only 19 years old


Anyways if the genders were reversed and it was 4 older 200 pound guys and a barely legal drunk girl there may actually be jail time involved. Gender shouldn't play a role in sexual assaults and their punishments, but we are kidding ourselves if we don't think they do.

Good call. The best way to combat harmful societal norms and stigmas is just to accept that they exist and there is nothing we can do about them.

[polak]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I was more referring to BA content. I should have clarified by saying the complainant has to be considered incapable of giving consent. If a girl gets smashed off a glass of wine due to a low alcohol tolerance, she's just as incapacitated as the chick who bombs through a bottle of tequila.

Basically, if a girl decides she wants to ruin your life, all she has to do is say you took adventage of her. It's over. Even if the courts can't prove it, your life is ruined.

Yay!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by polak

Basically, if a girl decides she wants to ruin your life, all she has to do is say you took adventage of her. It's over. Even if the courts can't prove it, your life is ruined.

Yay!

Well that's a bit of a stretch. Simply saying 'I was drunk' is not going to get you convicted, and often not even arrested. Honestly pretty much anyone could ruin your life by coming up with some bs story about you if they really wanted to.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Good call. The best way to combat harmful societal norms and stigmas is just to accept that they exist and there is nothing we can do about them.

Settle down. Where did I say there is nothing we can do about them? Admitting they exist and need to change is an important step. Pretending that they don't exist, just because they shouldn't exist, is not going to help at all

[Cowboy89]

^okay Polak , buddy got violated by 4 women. Horrible assault, should be treated the same as a girl getting gang raped by 4 guys. But let's not go off the deep end here and start up some 'man rights' thread here by trying to claim that somehow men are more disadvantaged by sexual violence than women. In my mind the constant battle of the sexes in claiming victimhood does little towards reducing sexual violence. Also saying garbage like that also propegates mysoginist attitudes.

Just because someone is a man doesn't mean they should be considered likely to be a rapist, and just because someone isn a woman doesn't make her likely to be a lying manipulative person who would make a false rape claim.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by polak

Basically, if a girl decides she wants to ruin your life, all she has to do is say you took adventage of her. It's over. Even if the courts can't prove it, your life is ruined.

Yay!

I try and follow a pretty basic rule in my life, mostly since I have been married, which is never put yourself in a situation where there could be someone who would be able to do this to you.

It's not that hard really. What reason do I have to be alone with woman who isn't my wife? Almost none.

[polak]

Originally Posted by valo403

Well that's a bit of a stretch. Simply saying 'I was drunk' is not going to get you convicted, and often not even arrested. Honestly pretty much anyone could ruin your life by coming up with some bs story about you if they really wanted to.

I don't know, it seems like it's a lot easier for a girl to ruin your life by claiming rape after you had consensual sex then any other accusation I could think of. Especially in the media. When it comes to rape allegations, the media throws "innocent until proven guilty" out the window immediatly. Make that girl underage and you might as well just give up.

Originally Posted by Rathji

I try and follow a pretty basic rule in my life, mostly since I have been married, which is never put yourself in a situation where there could be someone who would be able to do this to you.

It's not that hard really. What reason do I have to be alone with woman who isn't my wife? Almost none.

Unless you're not in a relationship and instead you're single and "looking"