Ken King Interveiw w/bob McCown

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by moon

What proof is there that the GM can't do his job?

He has said numerous times and quite forcefully that he is free to do his job and believes in what they are doing.

I do not believe anyone but the most deluded hard core fan thought the Flames were in the running for the playoffs this year, or that the currant edition of the Flames with Iginla had a shot at the cup even if it did squeek into 8th by some miracle.

By any sort of hockey logic Iginla should have been traded a season or 2 ago and the rebuild started, there was never an alternative to this and the only reason any GM, even Feaster, wouldn't start the process would be that he was told not to, I will add that I think even KIng and the owners by now knew the team was screwed but I think they were hoping for a few more years at 9th or 10th to help with the stadium project, the quick drop to bottom has forced their hand.

[PlayfulGenius]

Man, I'm finding it hard to cheer for this team...so much incompetence. I don't see any potential for a successful rebuild under this management team. I was hoping the Brian Burke rumors were accurate.

EDIT : I include Edwards in the management team if he is indeed involved. Roger Millions was on Vancouver radio today and he certain implied that is the case.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by kn

What a bunch of back-pedalling by KK in that interview... pathetic. Iginla had all the power and KK couldn't admit it. I love how they refer to the "player" having "influence" but at the same time saying they had two deals.

What a joke of an organization...

Or maybe he was doing his best not to completely through Iggy under the bus to the fan base by saying we wanted a better deal but Iggy told us no.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Or maybe he was doing his best not to completely through Iggy under the bus to the fan base by saying we wanted a better deal but Iggy told us no.

I think that is pretty much the definition of shoving Iginla under and then reversing it backwards and fowards

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

This is the same thing I was arguing with captain obvious in the Iginla trade thread. The flames should have got Iginla to agree to waive to teams before talking deal and let the flames make the best deal.

He wanted to go to Pittsburgh. What's the difference if he told them "no" when they asked him to commit to any of the four teams in writing or when he ultimately made up his mind in the end?

What they should have done was not committed to anything with Boston until they had is signature on a finalized deal. The notion that he would have given them a blind okay to flip him to any of those four teams just wasn't happening.

The choice was his the entire time and he ended up going where he wanted when he made up his mind.

[moon]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I do not believe anyone but the most deluded hard core fan thought the Flames were in the running for the playoffs this year, or that the currant edition of the Flames with Iginla had a shot at the cup even if it did squeek into 8th by some miracle.

By any sort of hockey logic Iginla should have been traded a season or 2 ago and the rebuild started, there was never an alternative to this and the only reason any GM, even Feaster, wouldn't start the process would be that he was told not to, I will add that I think even KIng and the owners by now knew the team was screwed but I think they were hoping for a few more years at 9th or 10th to help with the stadium project, the quick drop to bottom has forced their hand.

Feaster seemed to badly judge where TB was at while GM of that team as well.

And why come out so forcefully as he has if he didn't believe it?

He has been as loud and vocal a GM as I can think of and if he was being forced by ownership to do something he didn't want it is hard to believe he would be spouting off the crap he has.

[puckluck2]

Yikes, Ken King should have never done that interview if he wasn't going to be downright truthful from the beginning.

Bob McCowan had to fish the truth out of his mouth.

This team is incompetent, it's actually a little embarrassing.

Thankfully they're starting to trade for draft picks and young players at least. The only glimmer of hope I can find.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

At this point I have no confidence in anyone from Feaster on up. Too many cooks, the saying goes.

The Iggy trade needs approval from all levels, not just Feaster. And the fact the trade was 'meh' and all signed off on it gives me doubt that this organization can do what it needs to rebuild properly and ice a good team.

King needs to go, same with Feaster. If Murray hired the right hockey guys and kept his nose out of it things would turn around. But until then.................get ready for more drama.

[calgarywinning]

I really have to say that seeing Jarome Iginla referred to the player by Feaster and Peter over in Boston is the highest understatement and under evaluation of who he is/was to this franchise and to fans.

Jarome will deserve to suit up with the team of his choice, because of his own merits, hard work and the fact that he ultimately had final say and deservedly so. Only because of his own conduct, merits and grossly amazing contribution in Calgary.

I agree that management, ownership should be now owning up to their shortcomings. That many times in the past the Flames organization have hidden behind coaching changes, player changes to deflect management changes.

It's not that bad to admit and accept. At the end of the day Jarome was able to walk down the tunnel to a new and exciting opportunity where the burden is removed. I invite management to consider the same give their record.

[freakinsaprikin]

A couple of things:

1. I give the organization a lot of credit for giving Iginla the final choice for the trade. Jarome has done a lot for this organization and they felt they owed that him. Good on them and I think players notice this kind of thing and will help us when it comes to free agents.

2. I know a lot of people on here are frustrated with the lack of rebuild up until this point, but I believe the organization really wanted to try and compete for the cup well Jarome was under contract without trying to sacrifice the future (As miss guided as that might of been). Once they realized that that wasn't going ot happen this year and Iginla's contract was up, they decided to make the switch. I give the organization a lot of credit for at least trying this.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

well, that's a tad scary...

the fact that those running the organization don't see that the team was slipping into the abyss, but refused to make the hard choices (to rebuild) and choose to pick up aging ufas to staunch the bleeding because their assessment was that they were a playoff team?

calls into question any of the analysis that this group espouses doesn't it?

Yes, yes it does.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

At this point I have no confidence in anyone from Feaster on up. Too many cooks, the saying goes.

The Iggy trade needs approval from all levels, not just Feaster. And the fact the trade was 'meh' and all signed off on it gives me doubt that this organization can do what it needs to rebuild properly and ice a good team.

King needs to go, same with Feaster. If Murray hired the right hockey guys and kept his nose out of it things would turn around. But until then.................get ready for more drama.

It's going to get Oiler-bad around here, no question.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think that is pretty much the definition of shoving Iginla under and then reversing it backwards and fowards

Yes the bolder would mean that. Not exactly what he did though.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

At this point I have no confidence in anyone from Feaster on up. Too many cooks, the saying goes.

The Iggy trade needs approval from all levels, not just Feaster. And the fact the trade was 'meh' and all signed off on it gives me doubt that this organization can do what it needs to rebuild properly and ice a good team.

King needs to go, same with Feaster. If Murray hired the right hockey guys and kept his nose out of it things would turn around. But until then.................get ready for more drama.

Even Ray Shero mentioned he had to talk to Pens owners before making this move, go watch his presser. Ownership meddling and being part of the process is more usual then anyone here realises I think.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

It's going to get Oiler-bad around here, no question.

Pssssst. It already was.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin

2. I know a lot of people on here are frustrated with the lack of rebuild up until this point, but I believe the organization really wanted to try and compete for the cup well Jarome was under contract without trying to sacrifice the future (As miss guided as that might of been). Once they realized that that wasn't going ot happen this year and Iginla's contract was up, they decided to make the switch. I give the organization a lot of credit for at least trying this.

But the problem is no longer whether or not the team is rebuilding.

It's obvious that the team is rebuilding. But the pieces they're getting in return look to be awful.

I fully expect the Flames to draft around 4th overall, see Feaster go up to the podium, and pick Shinkaruk while Drouin or Barkov are still on the board.

It really seems like they have no idea what they're doing. It doesn't matter whether they're rebuilding or not if they are just plain stupid.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Even Ray Shero mentioned he had to talk to Pens owners before making this move, go watch his presser. Ownership meddling and being part of the process is more usual then anyone here realises I think.

I think what people are worried about is that the owner is making the decisions and not being asked about decisions made by the GM.

I find it really hard to believe Jay Feaster wanted to trade Jarome Iginla. That in my opinion was the decision of Murray Edwards. No proof, just a hunch.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

This actually kind of bugs me about King, and I would say I am a 'King supporter' here.

I hate what he said about Darryl when that happened, and I don't like what he said about Iginla either. Just makes the Flames look a bit bush league instead of a classy and professional organization. Feaster likes to make these sort of comments as well ("Broken-Down Modin"). Bush league, regardless of how true or false it may be.

Agreed ... Very oiler-esq comments lately... Big time bush league

[browna]

The layers are starting to come off the onion.
The fact that King is outright throwing Iginla under the bus is poor form the day after.

The Flames got two similar offers, Iginla understood they were pretty close as far as return and picked Pittsburgh. Simple.

Given the state of the powers that be, I trust Iginla's pick of team and offer as better, just because Feaster preferred the other one.

For the second straight transaction, the Flames organization had "regrets" on administrative issues....on a transaction in this case they new was coming for a month or longer.

Plain and simple, Edwards and the owners HAVE to see that this dynamic is disfunctional at best, even if they are part of it...and if this was CNRL or any other company that Murray runs or has run, and his immediate reports were lousing things up and not working together, they'd be moved out of that position.

King's acquired too much power for the one ice situation...Feaster said what he needed to say to get the job full time and also knows that he better do what he's been told (but that's not meddling, right?) or he'll be once again blogging for The Hockey News as he did when he got hired as AGM.


A strong hockey personality running things from top to bottom, is the only way to prevent this from continuing, or, getting worse. Owners have to take a step back too.

[browna]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Even Ray Shero mentioned he had to talk to Pens owners before making this move, go watch his presser. Ownership meddling and being part of the process is more usual then anyone here realises I think.

In this case, given the franchise player, absolutely the owners need to be informed and involved, Flames or otherwise.

The problem is, in the Flames case, its looking fairly evident that King and the owners to a lesser extent have their hands in the more day to day situations, and Feaster is simply the conduit for doing the nuts and bolts of what King and the owners plans are. IMO.

Hotchkiss kept Edwards down, but with his passing, Edwards took over and took the control away from Sutter and the shift you see was on. Feaster rolled with the punches, as he would for a guy trying to hold onto a position in the hockey world.

IMO.