China- Japan "troubles"

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CarlW

Through a Joint declaration of allies (ROC, GB and USA) Japan was to cede all territory it had taken back to their owners including the Chinese territories. It seems like after the communists took power from the ROC that the US decided not to give anything more back to the Commies and decided to hand it over to Japan. Seems like they were playing cold war games which leads to today's dispute and conflict.

I actually doubt that the conflict would exist if the islands had gone back to China because Japan would've had no historical claim on the islands and the only claim would've been through annexation and everyone knows how Japan likes to talk about their wartime exploits.

But that territory wasn't taken in the second sino-japanese war. Technically it didn't apply.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Japan should just hand over the islands for what they did in Nanking. I don't think the Japanese have ever apologized or even acknowledged the rape of Nanking.

I think few textbooks acknowledge it. The Japanese government has apologized for wronging Asia, but hasn't explicitly mentioned Nanking.

Though at the same time, denying Nanking is akin to denying the Holocaust in most parts of Asia.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Knalus

I find it quite ironic that the Chinese complain about this, when talking to people about Tienanmen Square in China will get you arrested. Heck, you can't even search for it online without having the cops come to your door.

To be fair though, Japanese war crime atrocities whitewashing is common complaint amongst not just the mainland Chinese, but Island Chinese (such has Hong Kong, Taiwan) as well as Koreans, Phillipines, etc who don't have the same type of media restrictions.

Can't really paint all Asian populations affected by Imperial Japan with the same media restrictive brush.

[CarlW]

Originally Posted by nik-

But that territory wasn't taken in the second sino-japanese war. Technically it didn't apply.

Formosa (Taiwan) was also taken in the first sino-japanese war but was ceded back after WWII in the same declarations, so it seemed like those lost during the first war did also apply (benefits of being on the winning side?)

[JohnnyB]

Just a big deal being made about a small issue to stir up the ignorant, nationalist masses and keep people's attention off the change of leadership that is about to happen and which occurs only once every ten years. That change is the big news, but this little island is keeping a lot of the general population looking the wrong way at the right time for the government.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Just a big deal being made about a small issue to stir up the ignorant, nationalist masses and keep people's attention off the change of leadership that is about to happen and which occurs only once every ten years. That change is the big news, but this little island is keeping a lot of the general population looking the wrong way at the right time for the government.

China is like a magician... look over here at this big (not really) issue over in this hand while we have a really big issue over here in this other hand.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

China is like a magician... look over here at this big (not really) issue over in this hand while we have a really big issue over here in this other hand.

Yeah. A pretty standard political ploy.

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by nik-

But that territory wasn't taken in the second sino-japanese war. Technically it didn't apply.

Does that mean Korea is currently part of japan

[nik-]

Originally Posted by jeffman

Does that mean Korea is currently part of japan

One example doesn't apply to all examples. So obviously not.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Japan should just hand over the islands for what they did in Nanking. I don't think the Japanese have ever apologized or even acknowledged the rape of Nanking.

It might not be official, but this was a pretty good apology.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

China is like a magician... look over here at this big (not really) issue over in this hand while we have a really big issue over here in this other hand.

Is that like son sue?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

What kind of apology was that? Who are they actually apologizing to? Spewing some nonchalant statement did nothing in terms of apologizing on the brutality they did to those nations. If they really want to admit to the brutal acts, they need to come out and apologize to China and Korea.

Interesting:

http://view.koreaherald.com/kh/view....20001045&cpv=0

Japanese Emperor Akihito has expressed his wish to visit South Korea and said he could apologize for Japan’s colonial rule if needed, a Japanese weekly reported, amid heightened diplomatic tension between the two nations.

During a Sept. 4 issue briefing with Koji Tsuruoka, the deputy vice-minister for foreign policy in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Akihito said he and Empress Michiko hope to visit South Korea “some day,” the Japanese women’s magazine published Wednesday reported.

The magazine also quoted the 79-year-old emperor as saying that he hopes that “Japan and Korea maintain good relations in the coming days.”