Charlie Sheen is HIV positive

[FlamesAddiction]

I wonder if some of the ######s that got #WINNING tattoos 4 years ago are in line to get them removed now.

[bigtmac19]

He's such a disgusting pig, not surprising at all. I just can't believe "messages of sympathy and support" are pouring in. Who cares and why do people think he deserves any sympathy or support? That kind of thing belongs in "I don't want to live on this planet anymore"

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

He's such a disgusting pig, not surprising at all. I just can't believe "messages of sympathy and support" are pouring in. Who cares and why do people think he deserves any sympathy or support?

Because he is sick with a very serious/possibly life threatening disease. Is it different than a smoker who gets lung cancer?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Because he is sick with a very serious/possibly life threatening disease. Is it different than a smoker who gets lung cancer?

Well...its not just 'a' smoker or 'an' HIV patient, its specifically Charlie Sheen.

I think the point was her disdain for Sheen in particular, less so the disease, the disease in particular is somewhat irrelevant. He has not really endeared himself to many people over the last while.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well...its not just 'a' smoker or 'an' HIV patient, its specifically Charlie Sheen.

I think the point was her disdain for Sheen in particular, less so the disease, the disease in particular is somewhat irrelevant. He has not really endeared himself to many people over the last while.

Sheen has been a complete mess and a terrible person but nobody deserves to have HIV. He is a human being and a father. As a person, I have to have sympathy for him. HIV is manageable now but it isn't a cakewalk.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Sheen has been a complete mess and a terrible person but nobody deserves to have HIV. He is a human being and a father. As a person, I have to have sympathy for him. HIV is manageable now but it isn't a cakewalk.

While no cake walk, a person with the financial might of Sheen can afford the medication, and can have a normal life.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Sheen has been a complete mess and a terrible person but nobody deserves to have HIV. He is a human being and a father. As a person, I have to have sympathy for him. HIV is manageable now but it isn't a cakewalk.

I dont think anyone was saying he deserves it, although part of contracting it, in his case, was very likely his own fault, but neither here nor there, I think the point was that the degree of sympathy some feels he deserves is not the same.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Here are my thoughts:
- Hopefully, we can have a real discussion around HIV and can start the process of de-stigmatizing it. Sadly, I don't think Charlie Sheen is the type of person who will be a role model or leader in this discussion.
- If someone is HIV+, they should disclose it to anyone you are having sex regardless of viral loads with even if they are having protected sex...and why the hell would they not be wearing protection?

There seems to be a lot of literature out there disputing this. I'm admittedly not an expert but from talking with members from various AIDS societies and activist groups, disclosing can often be dangerous for the people carrying the disease.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by rubecube

There seems to be a lot of literature out there disputing this. I'm admittedly not an expert but from talking with members from various AIDS societies and activist groups, disclosing can often be dangerous for the people carrying the disease.

It is difficult because without disclosure the stigma sticks around. But the stigma does make disclosure more difficult and dangerous. It really is a chicken/egg thing.

As a gay man, I think HIV is something that is much more front of mind for me than for most. I'd want any possible partner to disclose. Who knows when the viral load test was taken and if the low viral load is still the case? Who knows if the condom will break/fail?

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Because he is sick with a very serious/possibly life threatening disease. Is it different than a smoker who gets lung cancer?

I'm not saying that he is a pig because he has HIV. I don't know how you would make that leap?? I'm saying it mostly because I think he is a horrible person, the way he treats women, the way he treated Denise Richards and the way he treats his children. It's not surprising that he contracted HIV - I don't think he really makes having safe sex a priority, and with the excessive drinking and drugs, I'm sure there have been many cases of indiscriminate, unprotected sexual activity.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

I'm not saying that he is a pig because he has HIV. I don't know how you would make that leap?? I'm saying it mostly because I think he is a horrible person, the way he treats women, the way he treated Denise Richards and the way he treats his children. It's not surprising that he contracted HIV - I don't think he really makes having safe sex a priority, and with the excessive drinking and drugs, I'm sure there have been many cases of indiscriminate, unprotected sexual activity.

I never said that you believed he was a pig because he has HIV. You may want to re-read what I wrote. I have sympathy because the man has a serious disease and I'm sure others feel the same way. Does that mean that I condone his behaviour before or after his diagnosis? No. However, I do wish him well and I hope that he can stay on the straight and narrow so that he can provide a good life for his family.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by rubecube

There seems to be a lot of literature out there disputing this. I'm admittedly not an expert but from talking with members from various AIDS societies and activist groups, disclosing can often be dangerous for the people carrying the disease.

Explain?

[wontondestruction]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ya right Bree. Someone is upset because she is not getting her shut up money anymore.

I listened to some of the Howard Stern interview this morning, according to Bree, there was no "shut-up money". The craziness eventually got to her, while he was doing his tour, and she just bounced. One of the Howard Stern producers, said she turned them down for a previous show, that would have earned her some money, out of loyalty to Sheen. She also spoke of a interview she turned down, that would have paid her $200K, for the same reason.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ya right Bree. Someone is upset because she is not getting her shut up money anymore.

So why are you taking Sheen for his word, but not hers? Seems like an odd decision to make. Personally I wouldn't believe either of them, but I have to side with her side here. I just find it hard to believe Sheen told every single woman he was with that he had HIV. Half the time I bet he was barely conscious with whatever he was on, how could he even remember such a thing with the state he would have been in?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Explain?

You get the crap beat out of you for being gay, would be my guess.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Rathji

You get the crap beat out of you for being gay, would be my guess.

Thought that's what it was getting at, but considering it was directly in reference to disclosing to your sexual partner, it still doesn't quite make sense.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

So why are you taking Sheen for his word, but not hers? Seems like an odd decision to make. Personally I wouldn't believe either of them, but I have to side with her side here. I just find it hard to believe Sheen told every single woman he was with that he had HIV. Half the time I bet he was barely conscious with whatever he was on, how could he even remember such a thing with the state he would have been in?

I believe Sheen first for many reasons. First, Olsen is a drug addicted porn star that likely spends most of the money she gets on her habits. She see's an opportunity to cash in from a rich ex and that is what this is. Sheen says people he told in his circle of trust used the info to get payment, does anyone believe that does not include Bree Olson? I am pretty sure Sheen will reveal she was one of the ones he was paying. He also knew not disclosing he could face criminal charges, Sheen may be a pig but he is not dumb. Him and Olson spent a lot of time together but she didn't know? B.S. This is just another drug addled porn star looking for another angle to get more money.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by wontondestruction

I listened to some of the Howard Stern interview this morning, according to Bree, there was no "shut-up money". The craziness eventually got to her, while he was doing his tour, and she just bounced. One of the Howard Stern producers, said she turned them down for a previous show, that would have earned her some money, out of loyalty to Sheen. She also spoke of a interview she turned down, that would have paid her $200K, for the same reason.

Of course she turned them down, she gets no money from Sheen anymore if she blows the whistle. Sheen stated he forked out over 10M to keep his secret, she probably made much more than 200k from Sheen to keep her mouth shut. Loyalty had nothing to do with it. Then as soon as Sheen gets sick of paying and comes clean all the sudden she is chomping at the bit to do an interview and didn't know? Come on...

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I believe Sheen first for many reasons. First, Olsen is a drug addicted porn star that likely spends most of the money she gets on her habits. She see's an opportunity to cash in from a rich ex and that is what this is. Sheen says people he told in his circle of trust used the info to get payment, does anyone believe that does not include Bree Olson? I am pretty sure Sheen will reveal she was one of the ones he was paying. He also knew not disclosing he could face criminal charges, Sheen may be a pig but he is not dumb. Him and Olson spent a lot of time together but she didn't know? B.S. This is just another drug addled porn star looking for another angle to get more money.

And Sheen is a drug addicted TV star known for ####ing anything that has a hole. He's pretty much totally unbelievable in anything he says. Not saying she's right, but you should probably not believe either of them as they both have serious issues that cannot be ignored.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I believe Sheen first for many reasons. First, Olsen is a drug addicted porn star that likely spends most of the money she gets on her habits.

Is there any proof she is doing drugs today? You might be right, but I didn't see any proof of it.

And she quit porn about 5 years ago.

He also knew not disclosing he could face criminal charges, Sheen may be a pig but he is not dumb.

He was also completely out of his mind for a long time. Pretty easy for him to either think he told her and didn't. Or he just didn't bother to tell her.

This is just another drug addled porn star looking for another angle to get more money.

Just because someone is, or was, involved in the adult movie business doesn't mean we should just discredit anything she says. There is a good chance she's telling the truth. Just as good as Sheen is.