2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Beninho

For some strange reason I think Schneider could rebound well somewhere else but man that save % is scary bad. You would think a player like him was salvageable but who knows. I doubt treliving would take that gamble on yet another veteran goalie on a bad contract. The optics of that wouldn’t look good if it didn’t work.

As long as you’re trading a bad contract for bad contract, it really doesn’t matter if it works out IMO. If Neal continues this nightmare performance for the rest of the season and through the playoffs, this trade could be a get out of jail card. Schneider can easily be buried in the minors and then bought out with only 2 years left like Brouwer.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

As long as you’re trading a bad contract for bad contract, it really doesn’t matter if it works out IMO. If Neal continues this nightmare performance for the rest of the season and through the playoffs, this trade could be a get out of jail card. Schneider can easily be buried in the minors and then bought out with only 2 years left like Brouwer.

You solve nothing when you trade bad contract for bad contract (unless there were issues in the room).

Also, you can't bury contracts in the minors anymore.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You solve nothing when you trade bad contract for bad contract (unless there were issues in the room).

Also, you can't bury contracts in the minors anymore.

You can solve a lot of things via a lateral trade. For instance, If we traded Neal right now for Cory Schneider and he starts to pick up his game for New Jersey, then that’s goal scoring that they never would have had. That would easily be a good trade for New Jersey.

From a Flames perspective, if Schneider played any better than Smith, that would also be a positive. The Flames would also gain a contract with one year less term which is very important considering that Gaudreau’s contract would end at the same time as Schneider’s and his buyout would also hurt less if it came down to that.

Lastly, burying a contract in the minors doesn’t save you much cap space, but that’s not what I was saying. I was just saying that if Schneider really was that bad, then we could send him to the minors and then buyout his contract. If he can get back to his old ways, then heck, we found a new back up with out screwing up our current cap situation.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

You can solve a lot of things via a lateral trade. For instance, If we traded Neal right now for Cory Schneider and he starts to pick up his game for New Jersey, then that’s goal scoring that they never would have had. That would easily be a good trade for New Jersey.

From a Flames perspective, if Schneider played any better than Smith, that would also be a positive. The Flames would also gain a contract with one year less term which is very important considering that Gaudreau’s contract would end at the same time as Schneider’s and his buyout would also hurt less if it came down to that.

Lastly, burying a contract in the minors doesn’t save you much cap space, but that’s not what I was saying. I was just saying that if Schneider really was that bad, then we could send him to the minors and then buyout his contract. If he can get back to his old ways, then heck, we found a new back up with out screwing up our current cap situation.

You're making the assumption that both Neal and Schneider are going to improve their play, simply by being traded, as the means to justify the trade. Okay then.

Also, you might want to take a look at the goalie chart that was recently posted in another thread. Schneider is one of the very few who's numbers are actually worse than Smith's.

Finally, the Flames will already be feeling pressure on the cap once they have to sign Tkachuk. They are in no position to flippantly buyout Schneider's contract.

Your trade proposal does nothing for them.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You're making the assumption that both Neal and Schneider are going to improve their play, simply by being traded, as the means to justify the trade. Okay then.

Also, you might want to take a look at the goalie chart that was recently posted in another thread. Schneider is one of the very few who's numbers are actually worse than Smith's.

Finally, the Flames will already be feeling pressure on the cap once they have to sign Tkachuk. They are in no position to flippantly buyout Schneider's contract.

Your trade proposal does nothing for them.

No, you said that a lateral trades solve nothing, I was just giving you an example of how a lateral trade could work. To assume that a 10 x 20 goal scorer like Neal couldn’t go on to another team with a different cast and turn it around is just foolish. Neal may not be a great fit here, but if he had stayed in Vegas, he’d be doing a lot better than 3 goals and a team worst -10 this season.

Schneider would be a project and maybe he’d work and maybe he wouldn’t, who knows. But if he’s an easier buy out then a James Neal is, then that could work towards our favor because a James Neal buy out would certainly be a lot worse.

Trading for bad contracts in theory can also work out great. If 2 teams with bad contracts trade/swap an expensive underwhelming offensive player for an expensive underwhelming defensive player and both players improve with a change of scenery, the it ends up being a great trade because it’s mutually benefiting both sides.

Lastly, you might be confused with your cap crunch comment. Generally, buyouts actually help out with a cap crunch. Especially when you’re trading for a player with less term on their contract. That in itself can be a win.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Trading for bad contracts in theory can also work out great. If 2 teams with bad contracts trade/swap an expensive underwhelming offensive player for an expensive underwhelming defensive player and both players improve with a change of scenery, the it ends up being a great trade because it’s mutually benefiting both sides.

‘Hey, why don't you dump your trash in my back yard and I'll dump my trash in yours? Maybe then it won't be trash anymore!’

It seldom works out.

[dissentowner]

Pretty sure there will be a compliance buyout option when Seattle comes aboard so we always have that.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You're making the assumption that both Neal and Schneider are going to improve their play, simply by being traded, as the means to justify the trade. Okay then.

Also, you might want to take a look at the goalie chart that was recently posted in another thread. Schneider is one of the very few who's numbers are actually worse than Smith's.

Finally, the Flames will already be feeling pressure on the cap once they have to sign Tkachuk. They are in no position to flippantly buyout Schneider's contract.

Your trade proposal does nothing for them.

Schneider has a year less on his deal than Neal IIRC, so there is that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Schneider has a year less on his deal than Neal IIRC, so there is that.

Yes, but is that reason enough to play your trade cards and buyout cards? You can't make every trade, you have to try and make the best trade. It's an optimization exercise, not a 'throw everything against the wall' exercise.

[TheScorpion]

The Flames have a ton of NHL defensemen who play the right side. Brodie, Hamonic, Andersson, Stone, Prout. But they don't have as many who play the left side, and only two of them are actual NHL veterans: Giordano and Hanifin.

Do any of these options make sense as a depth LD that the Flames could add at the deadline or sooner?

Derrick Pouliot, Jordan Oesterle, Carl Gunnarsson, Jordie Benn, Justin Falk, or Brandon Davidson?

[the2bears]

I have more faith that Neal gets out of his funk than Schneider rebounds.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Do any of these options make sense as a depth LD that the Flames could add at the deadline or sooner?

Derrick Pouliot, Jordan Oesterle, Carl Gunnarsson, Jordie Benn, Justin Falk, or Brandon Davidson?

Wasn't he the go to guy on D for Peters, much like Derek Ryan was up front.

[funnymunk]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Wasn't he the go to guy on D for Peters, much like Derek Ryan was up front.

Don't think he played under Peters ever, are you thinking of faulk?

Also Falk was here earlier in the year during a PTO, don't see why we would go acquire him.. he's nothing impressive.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by funnymunk

Don't think he played under Peters ever, are you thinking of faulk?

Also Falk was here earlier in the year during a PTO, don't see why we would go acquire him.. he's nothing impressive.

My mistake, yes I was thinking of Justin Faulk.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Flames have a ton of NHL defensemen who play the right side. Brodie, Hamonic, Andersson, Stone, Prout. But they don't have as many who play the left side, and only two of them are actual NHL veterans: Giordano and Hanifin.

Do any of these options make sense as a depth LD that the Flames could add at the deadline or sooner?

Derrick Pouliot, Jordan Oesterle, Carl Gunnarsson, Jordie Benn, Justin Falk, or Brandon Davidson?

I am pretty happy with the progress on the left side, personally. The kids are getting ice-time, and they are making the most of it and growing with each game. Last night, Kylington and Andersson were fantastic against a very big, very physical, and very talented set of forwards. In their barn. Looking at the left side, it seems pretty solid to me:

Giordano
Hanifin
Valimaki
Kylington

If you are going to spend assets to try and fix a weakness on the roster, this is not the top of the priority list IMO.

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Dotchin (ANA) & Zykov (EDM) on waivers

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
As @MSmithCanes reported, Cajkovsky (CAR) is on waivers for termination. As is Lyytinen (NASH).

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Dotchin (ANA) & Zykov (EDM) on waivers

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
As @MSmithCanes reported, Cajkovsky (CAR) is on waivers for termination. As is Lyytinen (NASH).

People here were pissed that EDM picked up Zykov too.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Pretty sure there will be a compliance buyout option when Seattle comes aboard so we always have that.

Is it sad that I hope their isn’t compliance buyouts coming with either expansion or new CBA for 2 reasons?

1.) I still think Neal will rebound. Hopefully close to his career norms but even if it’s something like 20/20 I can live with that.

2.) More importantly, Edmonton can’t get out of Lucic’s deal.

[thymebalm]

What do we figure the chances are that Treliving takes a big swing at the trade deadline to bolster the team? What do we perceive as the biggest area of need? And for my real question, what is the likelihood of that acquisition being Kevin Hayes, and what would the costs associated with that transaction?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

What do we figure the chances are that Treliving takes a big swing at the trade deadline to bolster the team? What do we perceive as the biggest area of need? And for my real question, what is the likelihood of that acquisition being Kevin Hayes, and what would the costs associated with that transaction?

What are we supposed to do with the two fake questions? Is this like a magic trick? I don't get it.