2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I don’t think you can trade either during this season, that would be foolish. A trade for one is a year down the line at least

I wonder if the Flames would consider moving their 1st in a deal for a player like Schenn (not a pure rental) and then in the summer look at moving Brodie and getting a 1st as part of the return?

Load up for this season while still being able to pick in the opening round come June 2019.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder if the Flames would consider moving their 1st in a deal for a player like Schenn (not a pure rental) and then in the summer look at moving Brodie and getting a 1st as part of the return?

Load up for this season while still being able to pick in the opening round come June 2019.

Not a bad idea.

Treliving always tends to move up in drafts if he deems it necessary.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by New Era

A goaltender would be nice, but not without finding a home for Smith. Can you imagine the mayhem this would cause in the dressing room? Bringing in a third head to the goaltending monster? One comes in, one must go out.

Exactly this. We won't be upgrading the position unless Smith moves out and he has negative value. Assets or value will have to be added by the Flames to make any deal work. It won't be a simple hockey deal.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Exactly this. We won't be upgrading the position unless Smith moves out and he has negative value. Assets or value will have to be added by the Flames to make any deal work. It won't be a simple hockey deal.

I have always assumed that a goaltending addition involved smith going somewhere else, either directly, in a three way deal or perhaps a demotion.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I have always assumed that a goaltending addition involved smith going somewhere else, either directly, in a three way deal or perhaps a demotion.

Based on recent Treliving interviews he seems quite pleased with the goaltending situation right now. Those who think he’s looking to upgrade in season this year are misreading the situation IMO. The Flames right now have two goalies they are confident in. I don’t think they make any moves in goal til the offseason or unless a major injury hit.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Based on recent Treliving interviews he seems quite pleased with the goaltending situation right now. Those who think he’s looking to upgrade in season this year are misreading the situation IMO. The Flames right now have two goalies they are confident in. I don’t think they make any moves in goal til the offseason or unless a major injury hit.

Right, I was just saying if they made a goalie trade, Smith would be gone a second part of it.

[GioforPM]

Wrong thread

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

then in the summer look at moving Brodie and getting a 1st as part of the return?

Load up for this season while still being able to pick in the opening round come June 2019.

Would be nice...

TJ Brodie (mid 1st)
Michael Frolík (mid to late 2nd)
Michael Stone (3rd or 4th)

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Based on recent Treliving interviews he seems quite pleased with the goaltending situation right now. Those who think he’s looking to upgrade in season this year are misreading the situation IMO. The Flames right now have two goalies they are confident in. I don’t think they make any moves in goal til the offseason or unless a major injury hit.

I don't think you can take anything he says at face value.

Treliving has probably looked around and can't make a deal right now and has to run with what he has. The best hope is that they can get more miles out of Smith. He isn't going to crush Smith's confidence.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Would be nice...

TJ Brodie (mid 1st)
Michael Frolík (mid to late 2nd)
Michael Stone (3rd or 4th)

I am far from convinced Frolik or Stone could be moved in a deal where we send the full salary and get draft picks in return. Frolik I believe could be a cap dump in a deal where the flames are bringing in a $5M cap hit.

To Blues: Jankowski, Frolik, Smith, Foo/Phillips, 1st, 3rd
To Flames: Schenn, Maroon, Allen

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Bennett
Maroon-Schenn-Neal
Hathaway-Ryan-Quine/Czarnik

Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Andersson
Kylington-Stone

Rittich
Allen

Flames take the Allen contract and risk on (2 more years at $4.35M) and hope that he and Rittich can be a solid tandem. They add a bunch of size and grit in Schenn and Maroon and would have great depth at forward. They are 8 D deep.

St.Louis clears the Allen contract and gives them an opportunity to go after Bob in the summer if they like (might make Taransenko happy) and Smith walks. Frolik is a short term contract and could be flipped at some point or be a nice fit with RoR. They get a 1st and a decent forward prospect in addition to a third round pick.


Basically this is the Flames all-in move. They add a top 6 center and veteran winger with size that will boost thworn2nd powerplay and hopefully get James Neal going. It is another risky goalie move but if BSD is the real deal the risk is minimal.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You may want to do a little research on Couturier before you give an opinion like this.

I have and he's also a player on my hockey pool team.

I just don't think the cost to acquire him would be worth what we'd have to give up.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am far from convinced Frolik or Stone could be moved in a deal where we send the full salary and get draft picks in return.

There is also this to take into account...

TJ Brodie (8 team no trade list)
Michael Frolík (10 team no trade list)
Michael Stone (15 team no trade list)

[Mass_nerder]

I'm curious what Cory Schneider might cost. He's been pretty awful for New Jersey, but the team itself has been pretty awful as well. I know he's currently on the IR, but I don't think it's long term.
Maybe something like Mangiapane, 2nd, Smith for Schneider and a lower pick?

[chummer]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I'm curious what Cory Schneider might cost. He's been pretty awful for New Jersey, but the team itself has been pretty awful as well. I know he's currently on the IR, but I don't think it's long term.
Maybe something like Mangiapane, 2nd, Smith for Schneider and a lower pick?

And he plays like #### like he has been? Then we're out Mangiapane and a 2nd.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by chummer

And he plays like #### like he has been? Then we're out Mangiapane and a 2nd.

I think he's got a pretty good chance of bouncing back. He seems like a great buy low candidate.
Based on Mangiapane's play in the NHL so far, I'm not really convinced he's ever going to be an NHL player.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Dion

I have and he's also a player on my hockey pool team.



I just don't think the cost to acquire him would be worth what we'd have to give up.

You said Backlund is a better plater.

It’s arguable that his vale would be, more of less, the same as Monny.

You have misread him a huge amount.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I think he's got a pretty good chance of bouncing back. He seems like a great buy low candidate.
Based on Mangiapane's play in the NHL so far, I'm not really convinced he's ever going to be an NHL player.

He's not getting any younger. Hard pass.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Psytic

He's not getting any younger. Hard pass.

Yeah, he hasn't had a good season since 2015-2016 and a cap hit of $6 million until 2022. I would be very careful with him unless the acquisition cost was very small and if NJ took Smith and retained salary.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I'm curious what Cory Schneider might cost. He's been pretty awful for New Jersey, but the team itself has been pretty awful as well. I know he's currently on the IR, but I don't think it's long term.
Maybe something like Mangiapane, 2nd, Smith for Schneider and a lower pick?

Honestly, the only trade that would make sense for Cory Schneider is a James Neal swap. I would consider it only because it would supremely easier to buyout Schneider if he stinks. One year less, give him till next year to figure it out. If he can’t, buyout final 2 years. New Jersey could use some additional scoring punch. I could see it happening.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Honestly, the only trade that would make sense for Cory Schneider is a James Neal swap. I would consider it only because it would supremely easier to buyout Schneider if he stinks. One year less, give him till next year to figure it out. If he can’t, buyout final 2 years. New Jersey could use some additional scoring punch. I could see it happening.

For some strange reason I think Schneider could rebound well somewhere else but man that save % is scary bad. You would think a player like him was salvageable but who knows. I doubt treliving would take that gamble on yet another veteran goalie on a bad contract. The optics of that wouldn’t look good if it didn’t work.