2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by RyZ

I'd be looking for a whole lot more back for a 28yr old top 4 Dman than a 37yr old Dman and a goalie who turns 35 before the season is over.

But you know how trade deadline deals work. The team buying always pays a premium.

It would be a shame to have a great season only to see goaltending kill everything in the playoffs. Plus, Mike Smith has negative value, but if we upgrade goaltending, we have to send that salary somewhere. And we are not getting a younger proven goalie for anything less than a ransom.

I also think this team could risk losing Brodie more than they can risk going into the playoffs with uncertain goaltending. Not to mention, Brodie could be one-and-done after next season and it's not exactly a secret that Giordano elevates his game.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is a difference between a discount, and choosing things beyond just dollars.

Toronto didn't offer him a discount, because they likely didn't know at the time what other teams were offering. They made their offer and tried to sell it, just as San Jose did.

Tavares made his choice for his reasons.

I don't consider that a discount, personally.

This is strained. It's a discount to market value, simple as that. The concept that the leafs were unaware of any other offers is just a touch hard to believe...

Players make choices, yes. But whether they take a discount isn't up to your assessment of their personal feelings.

Sometimes it's hard to state simple things on CP.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

This is strained. It's a discount to market value, simple as that. The concept that the leafs were unaware of any other offers is just a touch hard to believe...

Players make choices, yes. But whether they take a discount isn't up to your assessment of their personal feelings.

Sometimes it's hard to state simple things on CP.

There are other things that go into a decision other than just money. Maybe they like a particular city, or want to be close to family. Maybe they like the team. Maybe the tax regime is better.

Players are people, and will make decisions for a myriad of reasons. Just because someone makes a choice that includes less money, doesn't mean it's a discount.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There are other things that go into a decision other than just money. Maybe they like a particular city, or want to be close to family. Maybe they like the team. Maybe the tax regime is better.

Players are people, and will make decisions for a myriad of reasons.

Nobody is debating that.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Just because someone makes a choice that includes less money, doesn't mean it's a discount.

That's literally the definition of discount:

Originally Posted by Discount

1 : a reduction made from the gross (see GROSS entry 1 sense 3b) amount or value of something: such as
a(1) : a reduction made from a regular or list price

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

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[Peaceful Warrior]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Matthews is a better player and the cap is increasing

Yeah, sorry, above Phagoof questioned whether Mathews should be the highest paid player, to which Oling_Roachinen responded: "Because he's the best player up for a new contract? Not sure where the confusion is."

[Bleeding Red]

1) Toronto has the advantage of being able to offer an 8 year contract. Everyone else can only offer 7.

2) IIRC, on one of the hockey shows (TSN or SN), TO could be looking at $40 mil for their top 4 - Tavares $11, Nylander $7, leaves $22 for Marner & Matthews - $13 & $9 max.
3) Regardless of how we see him, I am sure that as far as he and his agent are concerned, he is the top guy in the NHL. With a higher cap, that means more cash, which means more than McDavid.


I also don't think Matthews cares what Dubas says. He expects to get paid. (If I were Matthews and Dubas told me to take one for the team, I'd tell him to pay me and trade Nylander for a proper d-man.)

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

1) Toronto has the advantage of being able to offer an 8 year contract. Everyone else can only offer 7.

Not sure how much of an advantage that is though. A player like Matthews would prefer to hit UFA period earlier, especially with expansion and extra profit the cap could raise significantly in 4 years (when he would be eligible for UFA). Someone of his calibre could be looking at 15M if the cap has raised and he's a 25 year old UFA, so signing a longer deal could be a disadvantage to Matthews (of course the Leafs still have the option to sign him 1-7). It's not a stretch to assume that Gaudreau was the one who wanted 6 years, while the Flames were hoping for 8 (cap dependent).

The biggest advantage they have, obviously, is that it costs no asset to sign him but cap space. Every other team will have to offer up four first round picks plus the cap space.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

But you know how trade deadline deals work. The team buying always pays a premium.

It would be a shame to have a great season only to see goaltending kill everything in the playoffs. Plus, Mike Smith has negative value, but if we upgrade goaltending, we have to send that salary somewhere. And we are not getting a younger proven goalie for anything less than a ransom.

I also think this team could risk losing Brodie more than they can risk going into the playoffs with uncertain goaltending. Not to mention, Brodie could be one-and-done after next season and it's not exactly a secret that Giordano elevates his game.

Gio is in the midst of a Norris caliber season
Trading his d partner would be a pretty risky thing

[sureLoss]

Pretty sure Spector means "Doubt very much"

Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
Calgary GM Brad Treliving and right-hand man Don Maloney are in EDM tonight, watching Blues v. Oilers.
Very much they're looking at Oilers players...

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Gio is in the midst of a Norris caliber season
Trading his d partner would be a pretty risky thing

I'm not advocating moving Brodie right now at all for the same reason you just said.

But the same argument could be said about the myriad of players that have been elevated playing with players like Crosby and Thornton. Imagine how good the Sharks could have been shortly after the lockout if a team traded for Cheechoo at a "Rocket Richard winner" rate. Or if the Penguins traded "Olympian" Kunitz around 2014? Yeah, I don't think anyone blames the teams for holding onto players like that, but there's a case to be made that they would have been brilliant for doing so.

So I don't think that they should be shopping him for the sake of moving, but maybe if a team did offer "top pairing #1d" value for him, sure why not.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Pretty sure Spector means "Doubt very much"

Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
Calgary GM Brad Treliving and right-hand man Don Maloney are in EDM tonight, watching Blues v. Oilers.
Very much they're looking at Oilers players...

Talbot staring tonight. Maybe taking a look before free agency. I can't think of any other player they might be interested in.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Nobody is debating that.



That's literally the definition of discount:

Lol

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Talbot staring tonight. Maybe taking a look before free agency. I can't think of any other player they might be interested in.

St. Louis has about 5 or 6 I can think they'd have interest in.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Gio is in the midst of a Norris caliber season
Trading his d partner would be a pretty risky thing

There is only one trophy that matters though and goaltending is key in the playoffs. I am not sure if Howard is the answer either, but I don't see many realistic options out there. He has a 0.922 SA% and a winning record on a bad Detroit team.

And sure Kronwall's best years are behind him, but he is still good for around 19 minutes per game and still hits like a freight train. He is also a +2 on a team that has a median +/- of -2

I really don't think Giordano relies that much on Brodie. And I like Rittich and think he could even have starter potential, but he is still pretty green to expect a long playoff run from.

I get that my proposal was an over payment, but that is the nature of playoff teams acquiring players at the deadline from non-playoff teams. I also don't think it's a bad thing that both Howard and Kronwall would be UFAs.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don’t care about the Norris but the point is he is playing his best hickey with Brodie. Delete Brodie and you lose him and potentially have a less effective Gio

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Talbot staring tonight. Maybe taking a look before free agency. I can't think of any other player they might be interested in.

I would assume they are looking at the Blues who are wide open for business.

[dissentowner]

Funny how a year ago the Wings couldn't give away Jimmy Howard and now all the sudden they want a 1st for him. Goalies are so unpredictable.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don’t care about the Norris but the point is he is playing his best hickey with Brodie. Delete Brodie and you lose him and potentially have a less effective Gio

That's a fair point. I guess I am just more worried about goaltending being the thing that could sink this team. I have a lot more faith in Gio carrying on fine than I do with the goalies being able to carry the team through the playoffs.

There is still a lot of time to worry about it though I guess. I wouldn't do anything until the actual deadline week. Maybe Smith pulls through or Rittich shows he can carry the team. I would rather find that out before using assets to strengthen the position.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would assume they are looking at the Blues who are wide open for business.

They are probably looking at Maroon. Flames need some toughness that can play plus his cap hit is low and he shouldn’t cost too much. He could play up and down the line up and has no impact on the cap next year.