2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

If Brodie were traded I would seek a return similar to Hamonic's. Maybe not the picks themselves but a package worth that amount in picks. Kronwall has like no value and howard is worth whatever bishop fetched at the deadline a couple years ago imo. Not close.

I don’t know if Brodie with one year left has that kind of value but a 1st+ Decent prospect is what I would be hoping for. Hamonic was traded with 3 years left on his deal at 27. Brodie will be 29 with only a year left so that is why I don’t think the value is there

[djsFlames]

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Tarasenko

Not sure how you do it, but make it happen.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by the2bears

But if we throw in Smith and a prospect/pick does that change how this tilts?

Smith is a UFA at the end of the year, so no real reason why the Flames need to dump an asset to move him. If the Flames trade Brodie this year, it will be for a current long term asset that's cheaper than him.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Tarasenko

Not sure how you do it, but make it happen.

Neal, Bennett, Kylington, 1st, 2nd

I'd rather have ROR though IMO

[stemit14]

I wonder if Dubas will try to put the pressure on Matthews not to sign any offer sheets with something like this: “We’re going to match any offer sheet that comes along so all you’re going to do by signing one is hurt the team and strain your relationship with the fans. No matter what... you are going to be the highest paid player in the NHL. But if you go and sign a $16.3 million offer sheet with the Islanders or Phoenix, our cap structure will be decimated and it will be very difficult to keep this team as the powerhouse that it is. Lots of fans are going to blame you for that cap strain and any difficulties that come from it in the years to come. If you simply keep the negotiations between us... any problems that this team has cap-wise will be my responsibility and I will carry the blame. Please keep the offer sheets out of this negotiation.”


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[Phagoof]

I still don't see why Matthews should be the highest paid player.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Because he's the best player up for a new contract? Not sure where the confusion is.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I wonder if Dubas will try to put the pressure on Matthews not to sign any offer sheets with something like this: “We’re going to match any offer sheet that comes along so all you’re going to do by signing one is hurt the team and strain your relationship with the fans. No matter what... you are going to be the highest paid player in the NHL. But if you go and sign a $16.3 million offer sheet with the Islanders or Phoenix, our cap structure will be decimated and it will be very difficult to keep this team as the powerhouse that it is. Lots of fans are going to blame you for that cap strain and any difficulties that come from it in the years to come. If you simply keep the negotiations between us... any problems that this team has cap-wise will be my responsibility and I will carry the blame. Please keep the offer sheets out of this negotiation.”


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These sorts of imagined negotiating tactics just simply do not work in the capped NHL. Matthews is not the first RFA in a position to demand a premium-level contract, and he won't be the last. I think TO has a chance to get him signed for a little less than most teams—only because they are the team who drafted him, and they look to be highly competitive for a while. But NO PLAYER is leaving millions of dollars of annual salary on the table as a charitable gesture to make his boss's job any easier.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

These sorts of imagined negotiating tactics just simply do not work in the capped NHL. Matthews is not the first RFA in a position to demand a premium-level contract, and he won't be the last. I think TO has a chance to get him signed for a little less than most teams—only because they are the team who drafted him, and they look to be highly competitive for a while. But NO PLAYER is leaving millions of dollars of annual salary on the table as a charitable gesture to make his boss's job any easier.

Didn't we basically find out that Tavares took a discount?

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I wonder if Dubas will try to put the pressure on Matthews not to sign any offer sheets with something like this: “We’re going to match any offer sheet that comes along so all you’re going to do by signing one is hurt the team and strain your relationship with the fans. No matter what... you are going to be the highest paid player in the NHL. But if you go and sign a $16.3 million offer sheet with the Islanders or Phoenix, our cap structure will be decimated and it will be very difficult to keep this team as the powerhouse that it is. Lots of fans are going to blame you for that cap strain and any difficulties that come from it in the years to come. If you simply keep the negotiations between us... any problems that this team has cap-wise will be my responsibility and I will carry the blame. Please keep the offer sheets out of this negotiation.”


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Bogus. If it's a business from a GM's point of view, why shouldn’t it be a business from the players point of view? Player's should, and rightfully so, sign contracts for whatever they think they're worth. I understand taking a discount to help the team, but if TOR is offering 12M/year and someone else is offering 16M/year, AM would be a little bit of an idiot not to sign the offersheet.

[Peaceful Warrior]

Being the best RFA in your year doesn't guarantee you get maximum payment.

Nylander was (arguably) the best RFA in 2018, but he didn't get 12 million.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Didn't we basically find out that Tavares took a discount?

Discount? I'd say he's over payed if anything.

[Weitz]

I think Matthews will leverage an offer sheet into getting paid what he should be paid. But I don't think he will actually sign it as he won't want to open that can of worms knowing they will match.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

Discount? I'd say he's over payed if anything.

Well, sorry but you're wrong. He took less than what San Jose offered, allegedly. What your opinion is doesn't really matter, he was paid what he's worth in the market (and if the San Jose rumours are true, he's being paid below market value).

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

Discount? I'd say he's over payed if anything.

It was widely reported that teams that weren’t Toronto offered Tavares north of Mcdavid money with the highest being 13 mill from San Jose so he most definitely took a home town discount; you can dispute if he’s worth that or not but he didn’t chase the highest bidder during UFA season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Peaceful Warrior

Being the best RFA in your year doesn't guarantee you get maximum payment.

Nylander was (arguably) the best RFA in 2018, but he didn't get 12 million.

Matthews is a better player and the cap is increasing

[sureLoss]

I can see the argument as to why Matthews should be the highest paid player.

He isn't as good as McDavid, but he is close. Being the franchise player for a Leafs team that could be contenders for many years, he will generate more revenue for the Leafs and NHL than McDavid will for the Oilers and NHL.

In my mind, that should be a valid reason to be paid higher than McDavid.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I can see the argument as to why Matthews should be the highest paid player.

He isn't as good as McDavid, but he is close. Being the franchise player for a Leafs team that could be contenders for many years, he will generate more revenue for the Leafs and NHL than McDavid will for the Oilers and NHL.

In my mind, that should be a valid reason to be paid higher than McDavid.

In a soft or no cap world, sure. But in a hard cap world? No way, not if they want to win.

TO is gonna be in a very sticky situation here, I think the Tavares signing might come back to but them in the butt. If Matthews is 12.5, what is Marner? 10? Kappanen? 5? There defense is still below average too and that's if they can get Gardner done, who is probably going to want 6+. If they can't keep him, they are worse then Edmonton D wise.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Didn't we basically find out that Tavares took a discount?

There is a difference between a discount, and choosing things beyond just dollars.

Toronto didn't offer him a discount, because they likely didn't know at the time what other teams were offering. They made their offer and tried to sell it, just as San Jose did.

Tavares made his choice for his reasons.

I don't consider that a discount, personally.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

In a soft or no cap world, sure. But in a hard cap world? No way, not if they want to win.

TO is gonna be in a very sticky situation here, I think the Tavares signing might come back to but them in the butt. If Matthews is 12.5, what is Marner? 10? Kappanen? 5? There defense is still below average too and that's if they can get Gardner done, who is probably going to want 6+. If they can't keep him, they are worse then Edmonton D wise.

You asked why should Matthews be the highest paid player.

I didn't say that Toronto was going to accept it. Shanahan has already come out and said that players are going to have to take discounts so the team can be competitive.

It is going to be an interesting negotiation.