2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Lanny_McDonald]

I can see Poirier filling Hudlers skates. I think he has the tools to generate 50-55 points playing with a couple 70 point players.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by New Era

I can see Poirier filling Hudlers skates. I think he has the tools to generate 50-55 points playing with a couple 70 point players.

hasn't Poirier been rather underwhelming this year?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

I can see Poirier filling Hudlers skates. I think he has the tools to generate 50-55 points playing with a couple 70 point players.

Maybe in 3-4 years but not next season unless he somehow takes a monumental leap forward.

Flames cap trouble is going to make it difficult to add the 2-3 top 6 forwards they require. A top 3 pick will help add one of those pieces but there are no guarantees they get one of those picks

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I think it changes things a little. During the 2013 draft, the Flames drafted an entire line of forwards in the first round (LW, C, RW). This crop was going to build upon forwards already in the system, as well as forwards traded for (ie, Agostino, Arnold, Gaudreau, Granlund, and Jankowski). Bennett has since been added to mix, but ultimately, if the majority of these guys don't pan out, then the Flames can't draft another group to join them when it's too late, they need to find guys who will hit their prime when Gaudreau, Monahan and Bennett do.

I would go hard after Drouin personally. Add a guy like Laine in the draft. Now you have a core of Gaudreau, Monahan, Laine, Drouin, and Bennett all hitting their primes fairly close together.

seems like a fairy tale to me.

First of all, Dourin isn't going to be cheap. Yzerman will be looking for a comparable asset coming back. ie: a high draft pick. Granted Dourin's stock may have taken a hit since being selected 3rd overall. The question is; how much of that is due to the Lighting's handling of Doruin. He hasn't proven much, if anything, at the NHL level. Very difficult asset to assess. For instance, the Flames aren't going to be giving up Monahan or Brodie for him, but who do you think the Lighting are going to ask for? Yzerman isn't dumb. He's either going to let Drouin sit or he's going to get something that helps his team.

Secondly, in typical Flames fashion, they will not be picking in the top 5. This organization has never shown an inclination to tank or throw in the towel and there are too many proud guys in that room. Teams that finish bottom 3-5 are usually pretty dysfunctional in the room. At the end of the day I wouldn't be surprised to see them picking no.8-12 range. In other words unless they get lucky with the lottery, they won't have a shot at one of the Fins or Matthews. Only way I see this happen is if Brodie is out long term, the Wideman suspension is held, and the Flames deal Russell.

If Drouin is a target for the Flames I think it is more likely to see they package their first (lets say a top 10) and a good prospect (lets say Piorier or Klimchuck) for Drouin.

If Treliving is able to walk away from the draft with the core intact with Drouin and a top 5 pick, he truly is a wizard.

[heep223]

You are overrating Drouin. He was drafted in the first round 3 years ago and since then his value has fallen significantly. He is not worth a top 10 pick and a good prospect. He's probably worth a 2nd rounder and B prospect at this point. He hasn't moved because nobody will offer their 1st rounder for him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Maybe in 3-4 years but not next season unless he somehow takes a monumental leap forward.

Flames cap trouble is going to make it difficult to add the 2-3 top 6 forwards they require. A top 3 pick will help add one of those pieces but there are no guarantees they get one of those picks

I wouldn't be overly concerned about minor league production. I think the minor league team is poorly coached and the talent not used to its fullest. I think the kids in the minors are sing held back, kind of like anyone who plays for Providence in college. Let Poirier use his speed and crash the net with a couple guys like Gaudreau and Bennett and you'll see production. It's just going to take a little change in system.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by New Era

I wouldn't be overly concerned about minor league production. I think the minor league team is poorly coached and the talent not used to its fullest. I think the kids in the minors are sing held back, kind of like anyone who plays for Providence in college. Let Poirier use his speed and crash the net with a couple guys like Gaudreau and Bennett and you'll see production. It's just going to take a little change in system.

What's your rationale here? Because they play the exact same systems as the NHL team.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by TOfan

First of all, Dourin isn't going to be cheap. Yzerman will be looking for a comparable asset coming back. ie: a high draft pick. Granted Dourin's stock may have taken a hit since being selected 3rd overall. The question is; how much of that is due to the Lighting's handling of Doruin. He hasn't proven much, if anything, at the NHL level. Very difficult asset to assess. For instance, the Flames aren't going to be giving up Monahan or Brodie for him, but who do you think the Lighting are going to ask for? Yzerman isn't dumb. He's either going to let Drouin sit or he's going to get something that helps his team.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by heep223

You are overrating Drouin. He was drafted in the first round 3 years ago and since then his value has fallen significantly. He is not worth a top 10 pick and a good prospect. He's probably worth a 2nd rounder and B prospect at this point. He hasn't moved because nobody will offer their 1st rounder for him.

Your suggestion is laughable. There's no way Drouin goes for a 2nd and a B prospect. You can write that down, put it on your fridge, so when the day comes you can look at it and say 'Wow, I was wrong.'

his value has dropped, but not significantly. this whole situation is because he doesn't agree with how the Lighting have handled him. He hasn't had the same opportunity that Monahan, McKinnon, Barkov and others from his draft class have been given. Whether it is warranted or not is another question. But keep in mind, this is an organization that has lost several key assests over the years (Lecaviler, St. Louis, Richards, Boyle, and soon Steve Stamkos).

Very difficult to assess how good he can be. but you can be assured the Lighting are well aware of the Seguin and Turris trades. They will not give him away for, esstentially, what the Flames got for Curtis Glencross.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Your suggestion is laughable. There's no way Drouin goes for a 2nd and a B prospect. You can write that down, put it on your fridge, so when the day comes you can look at it and say 'Wow, I was wrong.'

his value has dropped, but not significantly. this whole situation is because he doesn't agree with how the Lighting have handled him. He hasn't been given the same opportunity that Monahan, McKinnon, Barkov and others from his draft class have been given. Whether it is warranted or not is another question. But keep in mind, this is an organization that has lost several key assests over the years (Lecaviler, St. Louis, Richards, Boyle, and soon Steve Stamkos).

Very difficult to assess how good he can be. but you can be assured the Lighting are well aware of the Seguin and Turris trades. They will not give him away for, esstentially, what the Flames got for Curtis Glencross.

Ok. We will see.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Your suggestion is laughable. There's no way Drouin goes for a 2nd and a B prospect. You can write that down, put it on your fridge, so when the day comes you can look at it and say 'Wow, I was wrong.'

his value has dropped, but not significantly. this whole situation is because he doesn't agree with how the Lighting have handled him. He hasn't had the same opportunity that Monahan, McKinnon, Barkov and others from his draft class have been given. Whether it is warranted or not is another question. But keep in mind, this is an organization that has lost several key assests over the years (Lecaviler, St. Louis, Richards, Boyle, and soon Steve Stamkos).

Very difficult to assess how good he can be. but you can be assured the Lighting are well aware of the Seguin and Turris trades. They will not give him away for, esstentially, what the Flames got for Curtis Glencross.

How can you be so incredibly cocky with your opinion of an unproven and volatile asset? No one can possibly know what Drouin is worth.

He could garner a 3rd with everyone playing hardball and Yzerman finally cracking. He could net a late 1st from a GM who things he can polish Drouin into a star. He could flounder, rot in the AHL and never be traded for a thing.

He could just as easily be traded for a 2nd and a B prospect all the same. The fact is that he has no value that you can confidently stand behind examples of. He's a rare situation that is only worth what a GM is willing to give up. Unless you're involved in the calls, any value put on Drouin is best-guess speculation. It will come down to what Yzerman finally gives in to while I doubt he's mulling over multiple great offers. But that's best-guess speculation.

[Poe969]

It's getting to the point with Drouin that Tampa will have to trade him if they start to slide and want some help for the playoffs. Tampa needs to trade him more then other teams need to trade for him. Sure, they can say they're just going to leave him be but I'd be willing to bet paper money that they won't. It's not like it's the deadline, tampa is out and Drouin is a UFA to be and there is a huge demand for him...it's the opposite. Tampa is holding down a playoff spot but if they start to falter and another team or teams make a push, the bolts could be on the outside looking in.

Drouin is a young player who was supposed to be a star. He hasn't shown that he's what everyone thought he'd be so where he was drafted is moot. If he's never traded and never plays another game in the NHL, the biggest loser (other then Drouin himself) would be Stevey Y for not getting something for him while he could have. Now I don't think they'll just give him away but I'll bet he holds a lot less value then he did when all this came out because no team really "needs" him, they'd just like to have him.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Split98

How can you be so incredibly cocky with your opinion of an unproven and volatile asset? No one can possibly know what Drouin is worth.

He could garner a 3rd with everyone playing hardball and Yzerman finally cracking. He could net a late 1st from a GM who things he can polish Drouin into a star. He could flounder, rot in the AHL and never be traded for a thing.

He could just as easily be traded for a 2nd and a B prospect all the same. The fact is that he has no value that you can confidently stand behind examples of. He's a rare situation that is only worth what a GM is willing to give up. Unless you're involved in the calls, any value put on Drouin is best-guess speculation. It will come down to what Yzerman finally gives in to while I doubt he's mulling over multiple great offers. But that's best-guess speculation.

There is no asset more valuable than a young player a team has control of. full stop. The upside alone on Drouin almost garuantees a mid first round pick. Yzerman can't afford to accept less.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Poe969

It's getting to the point with Drouin that Tampa will have to trade him if they start to slide and want some help for the playoffs. Tampa needs to trade him more then other teams need to trade for him. Sure, they can say they're just going to leave him be but I'd be willing to bet paper money that they won't. It's not like it's the deadline, tampa is out and Drouin is a UFA to be and there is a huge demand for him...it's the opposite. Tampa is holding down a playoff spot but if they start to falter and another team or teams make a push, the bolts could be on the outside looking in.

Drouin is a young player who was supposed to be a star. He hasn't shown that he's what everyone thought he'd be so where he was drafted is moot. If he's never traded and never plays another game in the NHL, the biggest loser (other then Drouin himself) would be Stevey Y for not getting something for him while he could have. Now I don't think they'll just give him away but I'll bet he holds a lot less value then he did when all this came out because no team really "needs" him, they'd just like to have him.

There's a tiny bit of me that could see Yzerman doing it. If he's not getting what he wants, he could take the mindset that he's keeping him for 2 reasons:

1. No one's telling him what to do
2. He's going to turn the kid around himself

Again, a very small part of me. As it's not an intelligent decision, but Yzerman does have a noted ego that needs to be factored.

[CliffFletcher]

Two years ago, Drouin was widely regarded as one of the top three 18-year-olds in the world. The way some people are saying his stock has plummeted, you'd think he shredded his ACL, got in impaired driving conviction, then threatened to play in the KHL.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Would you trade this years first for Drouin?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Would you trade this years first for Drouin?

No.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Would you trade this years first for Drouin?

I don't think Tampa would want a first, since they are contenders now. Friedman said today that Tampa wants physical forwards like Charlie Coyle.

So we'd likely have to offer Ferland to start things off. Our UFAs would likely be added to that.

If our pick was after 8th or so, I would trade it. Now, that isn't the case.

[Poe969]

Great point, what if Tampa said Ferland and a second for Drouin?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Would you trade this years first for Drouin?

I would do it if the Flames had a choice of this year's or next year's first.

I wouldn't give up a lottery ticket for Matthews at this point though. But let's say that we end up drafting outside of the top 5 and could wait until after the lottery to decide whether to make it this year's or next year's pick, I would take that deal.

There would just have to be some insurance this year.