Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton found not guilty of sexual assault

[Yeah_Baby]

Reminder: the number of false reports of SA for a “payday” are rarer most men assume. For a myriad of reasons.

[Yeah_Baby]

Also consensual group sex is a thing. Sex is great if any flavor. You just need consent. Consent is sexy.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Locke

Huh. That sounds super healthy all the way around.

I am just saying there are women out there who think the more sex they have the more guys will actually like them which is certainly a mental issue somewhere down the line. I don't think this is the case here though.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by MrSector9

Guys like this were the reason I quit playing hockey and all other team sports as a teen. Everyone wants to point fingers and act like they were never around someone capable of this type of behavior, but ANYONE that played on a team has played with someone they knew was a scumbag, either by their actions or their statements, and everyone would allow it to happen, no one would ever call them on their ####.

I am so sick of the "not an excuse but....." naw that is an excuse... they were young.... they were drinking....they wanted to not jeopardize their career so they kept quiet... lets face the fact, they are predators, scumbags and are willing to use anyone/anything around them to get ahead, why are you even remotely willing to make a statement like that for someone that cares nothing of you?

For everything positive team sports have instilled in me, it has also allowed me to see the evil in people, both directly and indirectly.

Don't see any one out here making excuses for the crime that allegedly took place. I think the debate was around if there could be someone on the premises for 10 minutes without being directly involved. Some argued that they "know" 18 year olds and that there's no way they wouldn't have participated in that time frame. But others shooting back are helping them to comprehend why it makes a lot of sense as why it's feasible.

Discussing what the mind of an 18 year old is like has absolutely no bearing on the guilt of these 5 gus being charged. I think most are operating on that baseline understanding that these guys did something terrible. But there are many more aspects to this situation that are worth discussing.

The reason we have to preface that discussion with "not excusing" is because some posters still have to have that plainly spelled out for them in order to keep from jumping to a fallacy or rash assumption without actually reading the more nuanced points being made.

Congrats on going there anyways though..

[getbak]

Speaking about the players' ages, remember this was the World Jrs. team, which is U20. For Team Canada, most players only make the team in their final year of eligibility.

Most of the players on the team had already turned 20 when this happened. There were only 3 1999 birth year players on the team, and only 6 players whose 20th birthdays were after July 1.

Formenton was the youngest player on the team. He turned 19 that September.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

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So, I could have lived without knowing any of that.

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Lol...its like that old thing where people are getting married and they want to 'compare numbers' with their partner for whatever stupid reason? Probably because they're psychopaths...

But could you imagine?

"No, no...not total number or people you've slept with...the most at any one time."

"Yeah...its still 8."

I see...

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

How does these leaves of absences work? I know we got cap relief for Kylington. Does the $2,300,000 of Dube come off the books?

I know that’s one of the first questions I had, oh a Flame may have been part of a gang rape, hope it doesn’t hurt our cap space?

[CFO]

So 5 individuals asked to surrender and now 5 players have asked for leaves from their teams. Crazy

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by CFO

So 5 individuals asked to surrender and now 5 players have asked for leaves from their teams. Crazy

So, no fall out for the team executives who continued to givs these guys contracts? Or we assuming that teams didn't know.

The NHL continues to show how gross the culture is. Does this type of stuff get covered up this much in other major sports?

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Locke

Lol...its like that old thing where people are getting married and they want to 'compare numbers' with their partner for whatever stupid reason? Probably because they're psychopaths...

But could you imagine?

"No, no...not total number or people you've slept with...the most at any one time."

"Yeah...its still 8."

I see...

“Thirty-seven! My girlfriend’s sucked thirty-seven ****s!”

“In a row?”

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by keenan87

So, no fall out for the team executives who continued to givs these guys contracts? Or we assuming that teams didn't know.

There was originally a criminal investigation in 2019, and the players were cleared. There was a civil suit and a settlement in 2022. You and I both think that the investigation was spectacle, and the settlement was bull####. But, realistically, what are NHL teams to do in these circumstances? The players involved were not on any NHL team when the incident occurred. The unnamed players were exonerated, and then settled with the plaintiff out of court. The teams only know whatever it is the players are willing to disclose. Of course, now that charges are pending, this changes things entirely, and I expect that these five players will never again play an NHL game. But, I think your expectations about what NHL team executives knew, and what they could do about it are just totally unrealistic.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by keenan87

So, no fall out for the team executives who continued to givs these guys contracts? Or we assuming that teams didn't know.

The NHL continues to show how gross the culture is. Does this type of stuff get covered up this much in other major sports?

I would bet yes.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There was originally a criminal investigation in 2019, and the players were cleared. There was a civil suit and a settlement in 2022. You and I both think that the investigation was spectacle, and the settlement was bull####. But, realistically, what are NHL teams to do in these circumstances? The players involved were not on any NHL team when the incident occurred. The unnamed players were exonerated, and then settled with the plaintiff out of court. The teams only know whatever it is the players are willing to disclose. Of course, now that charges are pending, this changes things entirely, and I expect that these five players will never again play an NHL game. But, I think your expectations about what NHL team executives knew, and what they could do about it are just totally unrealistic.

This is the NHL we are talking about here, if these players are found guilty but don't get jail time I expect they will be in the NHL again.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is the NHL we are talking about here, if these players are found guilty but don't get jail time I expect they will be in the NHL again.

The Gary Bettman Way.

[CFO]

Dube was also captain of the team too. Yikes

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There was originally a criminal investigation in 2019, and the players were cleared. There was a civil suit and a settlement in 2022. You and I both think that the investigation was spectacle, and the settlement was bull####. But, realistically, what are NHL teams to do in these circumstances? The players involved were not on any NHL team when the incident occurred. The unnamed players were exonerated, and then settled with the plaintiff out of court. The teams only know whatever it is the players are willing to disclose. Of course, now that charges are pending, this changes things entirely, and I expect that these five players will never again play an NHL game. But, I think your expectations about what NHL team executives knew, and what they could do about it are just totally unrealistic.

I wonder why Formenton has never been signed to a contract since his rookie year. He looked pretty good in his rookie year. I remember thinking at the time he looked even better than Curtis Lazar.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by CFO

Dube was also captain of the team too. Yikes

What link is there between captain and off ice actions? Take your time.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is the NHL we are talking about here, if these players are found guilty but don't get jail time I expect they will be in the NHL again.

There's not a sponsor around that will give any NHL team that ices one of these guys a dime. Look at the Ched Evans situation.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by keenan87

So, no fall out for the team executives who continued to givs these guys contracts? Or we assuming that teams didn't know.

The NHL continues to show how gross the culture is. Does this type of stuff get covered up this much in other major sports?

These kids had been lawyered up from day one.

They’re under no obligation to confess felonies to their employer, and all they have to say is “It’s with the lawyers, I was told not to comment, I look forward to clearing my name.”

And if they’d lie to everyone else about what happened, why would they stop at the employer who gives them millions of dollars.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

There's not a sponsor around that will give any NHL team that ices one of these guys a dime. Look at the Ched Evans situation.

Wanna bet? You think if Logan Mailloux makes the Habs all their sponsors are pulling out? Sponsors care about dollars, they are not taking the moral high ground if they can make a profit.