I don't know, I've been watching a lot of videos with different experts, and at the beginning of all this, one of them said that it wasn't just breathable air they were worried about, but that if it was at the bottom for an extended period of time, a a catastrophic failure of the shell became more likely as more time passed. I am not a structural engineer, but that seems logical.
I tend to thing an immediate implosion is more likely mainly because the supposed fail safe measures to re-float the vessel should have kicked in. Then again, it sounds like there is a history or things not working properly on this vessel. So I don't know, I guess on the limited knowledge I have, I feel is is like 60-40 that in imploded when contact was lost, but I am not convinced either. I am sure investigators will sort it out.
I stuggle with that one. With Carbon Fiber I’d suspect fatigue based cracking from pressure cycle being a leading candidate of failure. Think bending a paper clip back and forth until it breaks. In this type of failure it would likely occur during decent or ascent but not from steady state on the bottom.
What kind of mechanisms of failure were they suggesting when being concerned about time spent on the bottom?
My one thought on failure on the bottom is if the shell already had some flaws in it and these people being desperate to create noise impacted the shell with sufficient force to cause a failure. It would explain banging than explosion noises if that evidence is found to be credible.
I think failure on the way down or up is most likely though.
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Do you get an explosion though? Is adiabatic pressurization correct when you get into the supercritical fluids of both air and water?
No, not suggesting there was an explosion. Just suggesting that there's a remarkable amount of potential energy built up during the decent and the sudden transformation of that energy is likely to be... not gentle.
US Coast Guard Read Admiral stated the sonar cones didn't pick up an implosion event, so likely it occurred before gear was in the area. Honestly, I hope it imploded on descent on day 1. They wouldn't have suffered that way.
The thing that doesnt make sense to me is that if it did implode when it lost contact with the mother ship, wouldnt they have heard something from the mother ship? Or is that yet another negligent item to add to the list. (lack of sonar monitoring)
Now we have to figure out who was trying to communicate with us from the bottom of the ocean with banging every half hour. Someone still on the titanic?
Maybe that guy was banging too hard on ye' ol' hull methinks.
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Oh yeah, like PETA will let them use another dolphin!
Besides, if its not Roy Scheider its just not the same, or maybe Ted Raimi gets a promotion?
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You'd probably be totally let down, dude. It's not that big.
Well yeah, and anything before Titanic, Moritania and Lucitania were the size of the Carpathia, which was a similar scale down to the picture you posted
Some like you will se nothing special but Titanic was the extreme tippy top of luxurious oppulence in the 1910s. Not only was she the biggest of he family, but the most tricked out pony ever.
It's why Titanic holds such a massive grip on historians and fans alike. It was the crescendo of what being rich was, with the arrogance and foolishness that came with such ego and bravado. That's why there were so little life boats. Or safety measures in general.
If it wasn't for Titanic, cruise ships wouldn't be here.
Edit: now we see it on a minor scale with the Titan fiasco. Ballsy billionaires going 1.5 miles deep in a home built tincan for a once in a lifetime experience no others could afford.
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I'd be pooping bricks if I was an engineer that worked on the design and pressure envelope rating of that thing. It isn't easy to do, but with the proper QC checks you should be able find defects well in advance of failure.
Stockton Rush sounds like the name of a Flames farm team.
It makes me think that I live in a simulation and it's just lazy scripting by the AI. Now I need to figure out what they are trying to distract me from by getting me side tracked by this story.
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I'd be pooping bricks if I was an engineer that worked on the design and pressure envelope rating of that thing. It isn't easy to do, but with the proper QC checks you should be able find defects well in advance of failure.
There is an interview out there with Stockton Rush where he said that he didn't like hiring experienced people in their 50s. He preferred people in their 20s who didn't have experience, but were more inspired and creative than older people who just want to do everything by the book.
There are going to be a lot of questions for a long time, and likely a lot of lawsuits, but I also doubt this guy had the kind of money his clients did.
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Well yeah, and anything before Titanic, Moritania and Lucitania were the size of the Carpathia, which was a similar scale down to the picture you posted
Some like you will se nothing special but Titanic was the extreme tippy top of luxurious oppulence in the 1910s. Not only was she the biggest of he family, but the most tricked out pony ever.
It's why Titanic holds such a massive grip on historians and fans alike. It was the crescendo of what being rich was, with the arrogance and foolishness that came with such ego and bravado. That's why there were so little life boats. Or safety measures in general.
If it wasn't for Titanic, cruise ships wouldn't be here.
Edit: now we see it on a minor scale with the Titan fiasco. Ballsy billionaires going 1.5 miles deep in a home built tincan for a once in a lifetime experience no others could afford.
No, no, I appreciate the Titanic in the context of its time. My post of that photo was just in response to somebody saying they would like to see the Titanic just to wonder at it's immense size (or something like that). I was just kinda saying that it wouldn't look that big to anybody who has seen some of the ginormous modern ships. I think it would be kind of meh.
You ever been on the Queen Mary in Long Beach? You would think it would be super awesome as it's way bigger than the Titanic was, but it honestly doesn't feel like anything special from a modern perspective. Those old big ships just aren't big to our eyes.
Wreckage found 460 meters from titanic site. That's just shy of two ship lengths. So they imploded really close to it considering current drift etc. They didn't suffer. R.I.P.
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So this is really just a case of pure negligence by Rush and OceanGate? Couldn’t be bothered to be concerned about the hull integrity after repeated dives. They were warned about it.
You see this with carbon fiber hockey sticks exploding all the time. Unless you can find something in an x-ray or do destructive testing, you don't know if its fractured or stressed and will just collapse under a slapshot suddenly without warning.
The engineer who raised concerns about their refusal to do testing between missions was fired.
