Submarine Tour to Titanic Missing

[flames_fan_down_under]

So if they heard banging and then an implosion sound, could the banging simply have been the submersible structure starting to fail?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I know communism doesn't work and I know why, but the philosophy behind it certainly isn't evil.

I like capitalism, but I'm very supportive of punitive tax brackets to prevent extreme wealth and extreme wealth hoarding. Play with these numbers however you want, but let's call over $1 million/year in a 50% tax bracket and over $2 million a year in a 70% tax bracket, and anything over $5 million a year in a 90% tax bracket or something. You'd still have incentive to get rich, but after a certain point there's just no point in making more and you start sharing that wealth.

Or throw in a death tax for estates worth over $100 million or something. That allows you to get and enjoy extreme wealth, pass down extreme wealth, but once you die everything over $100 million is taxed at 90% and goes into the public purse. That's a far cry from putting everyone in a tenement and making them buy a Lada.

So you tax it, and turn those resources in to the government because they know how to best distribute it? But why 100 million? Why not 10 million, or 1 million like Hemi said? Sounds like we are saying poverty be damned - my level of attainable wealth is just fine - but other higher levels are unfair and should be obviously shared.
Anyway, I really don't care enough about this to do a deeper dive on this subject.
(Did I do that even close to right?)

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Now we have to figure out who was trying to communicate with us from the bottom of the ocean with banging every half hour. Someone still on the titanic?

Mom: You know, your great-great grandma was on the Titanic when it sank.

Kid: Wow, that's amazing. I wish she were alive today, the stories she could tell!

Monkey paw finger curls...

[Cube Inmate]

A lot of my interest is in the extreme conditions...so I did some napkin calculations.

In the case of a rapid catastrophic breach at the depth of titanic, assuming adiabatic compression, the air in the submersible would be almost immediately heated to over 1000 degrees C as it was compressed to less than 1/350 its initial volume. The amount of energy transferred from ocean to air in that process would exceed the energy in a kilo of TNT. By my napkin calculations, over 5 MJ.

That would not leave much intact, either bodies or carbon fiber.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So you tax it, and turn those resources in to the government because they know how to best distribute it? But why 100 million? Why not 10 million, or 1 million like Hemi said? Sounds like we are saying poverty be damned - my level of attainable wealth is just fine - but other higher levels are unfair and should be obviously shared.

Well, they will generally distribute toward the public good moreso than an individual who just passes it onto their kid.

Governments fund infrastructure, education, healthcare, national parks, defense, etc. There is always going to be waste in government, but I doubt Tony the billionaire's kid, Jeff, is going to do anything better with it, so yeah, I'd like to see it go toward the greater good.

Sure, $10 million. Sure, $1 million. It's the principle we're talking about and not necessarily the specific amounts.

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Anyway, I really don't care enough about this to do a deeper dive on this subject. (Did I do that even close to right?)

Absolutely hah.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Its obviously negligence and arrogance.

Where do you get arrogance out of it? Lol

Negligence sure. Obviously it could have been maintained more rigorously, but I don't understand where you get the latter from.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

So if they heard banging and then an implosion sound, could the banging simply have been the submersible structure starting to fail?

But wasn't it in 30 minutes increments? Makes no sense.

Likely a last ditch effort to get picked up by equipment above.

[Sr. Mints]

I guess all we can do now is wait and hope for a SeaQuest DSV reboot.

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

But wasn't it in 30 minutes increments? Makes no sense.

Likely a last ditch effort to get picked up by equipment above.

Much more likely an overly optimistic interpretation of something that was either completely unrelated or perhaps related to surface vessel activity. Given the latest news, I expect we'll learn the structural failure occurred on Sunday. There's no logical reason to think it could have sunk to the bottom intact and then, days later, failed.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Sr. Mints

I guess all we can do now is wait and hope for a SeaQuest DSV reboot.

CGI has come a long way since then!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

Much more likely an overly optimistic interpretation of something that was either completely unrelated or perhaps related to surface vessel activity. Given the latest news, I expect we'll learn the structural failure occurred on Sunday. There's no logical reason to think it could have sunk to the bottom intact and then, days later, failed.

Structural failure on Sunday 2 hours in honestly makes the most sense by far.

Explains the radio silence since then.

I hope it was very quick at least.

[Minnie]

OceanGate now conceding, in new statement, that they "believe that the passengers on the Titan have been lost."


They died, OceanGate. They died. Why always with the PR speak, as though they simply misplaced them?

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Minnie

OceanGate now conceding, in new statement, that they "believe that the passengers on the Titan have been lost."


They died, OceanGate. They died. Why always with the PR speak, as though they simply misplaced them?

To this end, in this case, it's likely shorthand for "lost at sea".

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Sliver

You'd probably be totally let down, dude. It's not that big.

I took a quick look at the length of the Titanic and compared it to the schedule for the Port of Sydney here in Nova Scotia.

The Titanic was 269 metres long. The P&O Aurora is 270 metres long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Aurora_(2000)

It appears that the Aurora is a lot heavier than the Titanic was, and taller than the Titanic.

No disrespect to The Aurora but it's not one of the ships that comes to town that makes you stop and stare in awe.

[Minnie]

I dunno about that, given the previous statements/commentary, but sure, we can go with that.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

Much more likely an overly optimistic interpretation of something that was either completely unrelated or perhaps related to surface vessel activity. Given the latest news, I expect we'll learn the structural failure occurred on Sunday. There's no logical reason to think it could have sunk to the bottom intact and then, days later, failed.

I don't know, I've been watching a lot of videos with different experts, and at the beginning of all this, one of them said that it wasn't just breathable air they were worried about, but that if it was at the bottom for an extended period of time, a catastrophic failure of the shell became more likely as more time passed. I am not a structural engineer, but that seems logical.

I tend to think an immediate implosion is more likely mainly because the supposed fail safe measures to re-float the vessel should have kicked in. Then again, it sounds like there is a history or things not working properly on this vessel. So I don't know, I guess on the limited knowledge I have, I feel is is like 60-40 that in imploded when contact was lost, but I am not convinced either. I am sure investigators will sort it out.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

A lot of my interest is in the extreme conditions...so I did some napkin calculations.

In the case of a rapid catastrophic breach at the depth of titanic, assuming adiabatic compression, the air in the submersible would be almost immediately heated to over 1000 degrees C as it was compressed to less than 1/350 its initial volume. The amount of energy transferred from ocean to air in that process would exceed the energy in a kilo of TNT. By my napkin calculations, over 5 MJ.

That would not leave much intact, either bodies or carbon fiber.

Do you get an explosion though? Is adiabatic pressurization correct when you get into the supercritical fluids of both air and water?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Minnie

OceanGate now conceding, in new statement, that they "believe that the passengers on the Titan have been lost."


They died, OceanGate. They died. Why always with the PR speak, as though they simply misplaced them?

I think in this case "lost" is probably an OK word. I can't imagine much of them will ever be found.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

Now we have to figure out who was trying to communicate with us from the bottom of the ocean with banging every half hour. Someone still on the titanic?

What does OSO OSO OSO OSO OSO mean...

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think in this case "lost" is probably an OK word. I can't imagine much of them will ever be found.

Probably not. But, I bet a lot of that billionaire's money is going to be found in other people's bank accounts once the lawsuits start, which we all know they will.