[Rumour] Flames aggressively trying to move up. UPD: Treliving and Kekelainen meeting on floor

[Tinordi]

We would have to send some salary back to fit Bob in.

He was injured last year but in all he's a very good goalie. Would not be unhappy with him if it works in our cap structure.

[Krovikan]

I suspect if Bob was coming over we would have to send some cap back. Raymond wouldn't be bad for them to take back for one year.

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[Robbob]

My only concern with Bobrovsky is the question if he can stay healthy. That being said, I wouldn't be upset with a Bobrovsky/Ortio combo. Together they would probably cost you around 8.4M, which isn't a crazy amount on the back end. If they could send a 2nd to get Columbus eats close to 1M then I think it would be a slam dunk.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Ok sorry ... misunderstood you.

I see what you're saying. But I guess it comes down to the pressure points facing the Jackets and how they plan to get out of it.

If they can't dump Clarkson they need to dump someone in order to avoid being offer sheeted on Jones.

If they fear that the sand in the hour glass will run out in 11 months and they will lose Korpisalo to Vegas as that ideal about to emerge goaltender.

Only they know where they sit on these things, but if there's some nerves there you never know how this could come together.

That's true and I am a subscriber to that belief that anything is possible, but the weight of getting Bob + #3 is a heavy heavy idea to carry responsibly.

So far I think we've seen Jarmo Kekkalainen is cool as a cucumber when it comes to swinging deals and thinking things out. If the Jackets are itchy they're not showing it. Most of this is media hype to stir up some interest in the draft. And seeing as the Flames are in need of two of the things CLB has, it's incredibly easy to start painting the picture the Flames will do almost anything to kill 2 birds with one stone. I just don't see it happening with CLB.

[dammage79]

I think if anything, a more reasonable angle of attack regarding CLB ad their contract issue would be to target Hartnell and get Korpisalo at a reduced acquisition cost.

They have arguably the best goaltending depth in the league and can part with their 2nd best goalie and still have 3 goalies fight for the back up job behind Bob.

They have Forsberg (if you were to rank Korpisalo and Forsberg they'd be 2a and 2b on their depth chart), Dansk (Lock for the farm #1) and Merzlikins (turning pro this year and will likely back up Dansk). To me I feel like theres a good and far more reasonable trade scenario here than trying for Puljujarvi AND a goalie.

Say that does happen then you could potentially move Ortio + to Minny for Kuemper and run Korpisalo and Kuemper as the tandem this year.

Maybe I'm crazy.

[Vinny01]

No interest in taking onHartnell just to get Korpisalo. I want a legit number 1. Korpisalo is a very solid goalie but if we are going to take on a 34 year old with 3 years left at nearly $5M per I want the pick

[devo22]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think if anything, a more reasonable angle of attack regarding CLB ad their contract issue would be to target Hartnell and get Korpisalo at a reduced acquisition cost.

They have arguably the best goaltending depth in the league and can part with their 2nd best goalie and still have 3 goalies fight for the back up job behind Bob.

They have Forsberg (if you were to rank Korpisalo and Forsberg they'd be 2a and 2b on their depth chart), Dansk (Lock for the farm #1) and Merzlikins (turning pro this year and will likely back up Dansk). To me I feel like theres a good and far more reasonable trade scenario here than trying for Puljujarvi AND a goalie.

Say that does happen then you could potentially move Ortio + to Minny for Kuemper and run Korpisalo and Kuemper as the tandem this year.

Maybe I'm crazy.

I really doubt they trade Korpisalo. Getting Bob and his 7m off the books and run with Korpisalo and Forsberg long term would be much more appealing to them obviously.

[Bourque's Twin]

Taking Bobrovsky is a better trade for both CGY and CBJ.

He's got a $7.425 CAP hit, which is very high. But, if the Flames take Hartnell at $4.75, they still need to sign a goalie, who I assume will cost more than the difference between Bob and Harts ($2.675) and will require the same term as Harts and Bob (3 more years). Reimer and Hartnell would cost over $8M most likely. Bobrovsky and Reimer are the same age.

The Flames actually save money and have the potential for more upside. A healthy Bob is much more effective than Reimer + Hartnell. CBJ gets to shed $7.425, not just Hartnell's $4.75, and they have goalies ready to step up.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by New Era

Run the numbers. Don't forget to factor in replacements for what you are losing. It's too easy to say that X is coming off the books and then not account for their replacement salaries. The picture isn't pretty.

Sigh. Well, it was YOUR claim, not mine.....I despise when people do that.

You make a claim, back it up.

Anyways, like I said, next season would be tough fitting in Bobrovsky, but starting with the 2017/18 season the Flames cap is in a much better spot.

It's hard to look ahead that far, especially with Monahan, Gaudreau and Colborne deals still not done. But here goes.

1. Assuming taking on Bob while moving up to get Puljujarvi.
2. Healthy long term deals for Gaudreau/Monahan this summer
3. Decent bridge for Colborne this summer
4. Healthy raise and bridge for Bennett and Jokipakka NEXT summer
5. Hathaway, Wotherspoon, Gillies signed to cheap depth deals


1. Gaudreau (7,500,000) - Monahan (6,000,000) - Puljujarvi (925,000)
2. Shinkaruk (863,333) - S. Bennett (4,000,000) - M Frolik (4,300,000)
3. Colborne (3,000,000) - Backlund (3,575,000) - D Pribyl (925,000)
4. L Bouma (2,200,000) - M Stajan (3,125,000) - Hathaway (800,000)

1. Giordano (6,750,000) - TJ Brodie (4,650,400)
2. Jokipakka (3,000,000) - Hamilton (5,750,000)
3. Wotherspoon (900,000) - Andersson (786,667)

1. Bobrovsky (7,425,000)
2. J. Gillies (800,000)

Total CAP - $67,375,400

That's a crap ton of cap space to make improvements and add 13th/14th forwards and a 7th Dman. That's almost $6 million under the 2016/17 CAP nevermind the fact that it likely goes up again NEXT summer as well.

Flames add Bobrovsky (or any goalie for $7 million) and they won't be losing Bennett, Brodie or any core member because of it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Yes, a good return and possibly fair, but it isn't going to turn Kekalainen's head. He's made it abundantly clear that only a vast overpayment would make him consider a trade (posted pages back):



Columbus are in the driver's seat here. There is nothing forcing them to move down in the draft. It has to be a no-brainer deal for them, and I'm afraid a 2nd rounder, a middle six centre & a meagre amount of cap relief isn't "an awful lot" when you're passing up on one of the top 3 talents in the draft and parting with a veteran top 6 forward who can still produce.

Columbus is in the driver's seat, yes.

But those comments are simply posturing. He can state them over and over again and it will make zero difference.

At the end of the day, on Friday evening with the clock ticking, he has a simple choice: either he thinks the offer is better for his team than simply picking 3rd, or he does not.

It isn't personal, it isn't a game of poker with friends, it's business. Every GM is trying to build the best team possible.

The Flames will make an offer they think is fair. Columbus can take it or pass. But what anyone says between now and then is nothing but hot air.

[Oling_Roachinen]

A year ago Columbus was happy to sign Bobrovsky to his contract. He had a down, injury-plagued, year. There's certainly the risk with a high-paid goalie with a recurring groin injury. But unless they are incredibly sold on Korpisalo after 30 games, then it's far more likely that they will just wait-and-see with Bobrovsky. It was only a couple years ago he was the run away Vezina winner, and he's 26. He's not unlikely to bounce back.

[Enoch Root]

I could live with Bobrovsky coming back. Would prefer a deal around Hartnell, as I think he could provide just the kind of grit and swagger that this team needs, but Bobrovsky is doable.

I would rather have Bobrovsky than Fleury, except for the increased salary.

I would gladly add a 2nd to get them to retain $1.5 - $2M, but I doubt that would interest them.

[Tinordi]

Yes it's pretty fanciful to think that the Flames are going to offer up assets like 2nd rounders and think that's going to get them a Vezina winning goalie AND the 3rd overall.

Columbus may be hard up but they'll know when they're getting completely boned. They have different options too.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Unloading Bobrovsky doesn't help their issue with having to protect Hartnell, Dubinsky, Foligno and Clarkson up front next expansion draft. But I'd probably do it.

Should be interesting, I'd love to deal up to #3.

[jmac98]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

A year ago Columbus was happy to sign Bobrovsky to his contract. He had a down, injury-plagued, year. There's certainly the risk with a high-paid goalie with a recurring groin injury. But unless they are incredibly sold on Korpisalo after 30 games, then it's far more likely that they will just wait-and-see with Bobrovsky. It was only a couple years ago he was the run away Vezina winner, and he's 26. He's not unlikely to bounce back.

I think it's more to do with the fact Columbus needs to shed a hefty contract or they'll potentially lose Jones, which would be nothing short of disastrous. Ideally they'd love to move Clarkson, but that's not likely in any scenario.

Their next ideal is obviously Hartnell. I imagine that is a moveable contract for the right package, however, time is running out for said deal to be discovered. As such they need to expand their internal options, or at least consider doing so. Bobrovsky solves their financial issue and then some, and they have the depth within that position to move ahead. Certainly Bob's credentials are superior, however, he's been plagued with injuries so he's not doing them any favours by being hurt all the time 'and' locking up as much money as he is.

I'm sure ideally they'd be happy to retain him, but unless they can discover a solution with one of their other gaudy contracts, this may need to be a consideration for them if only on the back burner for an 11th hour to keep Jones.

[3rd Degree]

What if the deal was Hartnell, Bob, and #3 for Backlund, Stajan, 3 2nds, and #6?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Unloading Bobrovsky doesn't help their issue with having to protect Hartnell, Dubinsky, Foligno and Clarkson up front next expansion draft. But I'd probably do it.

Should be interesting, I'd love to deal up to #3.

Yeah that is a good call. They need to dump one of those forwards.

Heck the Flames could take Bobrovsky and Hartnell if they take back Raymond and Bollig. Pretty much wipes out the Hartnell cap hit but those players are only signed for one year and not 3 while still clearing the $7.45M from Bob

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Sigh. Well, it was YOUR claim, not mine.....I despise when people do that.

You make a claim, back it up.

Anyways, like I said, next season would be tough fitting in Bobrovsky, but starting with the 2017/18 season the Flames cap is in a much better spot.

It's hard to look ahead that far, especially with Monahan, Gaudreau and Colborne deals still not done. But here goes.

1. Assuming taking on Bob while moving up to get Puljujarvi.
2. Healthy long term deals for Gaudreau/Monahan this summer
3. Decent bridge for Colborne this summer
4. Healthy raise and bridge for Bennett and Jokipakka NEXT summer
5. Hathaway, Wotherspoon, Gillies signed to cheap depth deals


1. Gaudreau (7,500,000) - Monahan (6,000,000) - Puljujarvi (925,000)
2. Shinkaruk (863,333) - S. Bennett (4,000,000) - M Frolik (4,300,000)
3. Colborne (3,000,000) - Backlund (3,575,000) - D Pribyl (925,000)
4. L Bouma (2,200,000) - M Stajan (3,125,000) - Hathaway (800,000)

1. Giordano (6,750,000) - TJ Brodie (4,650,400)
2. Jokipakka (3,000,000) - Hamilton (5,750,000)
3. Wotherspoon (900,000) - Andersson (786,667)

1. Bobrovsky (7,425,000)
2. J. Gillies (800,000)

Total CAP - $67,375,400

That's a crap ton of cap space to make improvements and add 13th/14th forwards and a 7th Dman. That's almost $6 million under the 2016/17 CAP nevermind the fact that it likely goes up again NEXT summer as well.

Flames add Bobrovsky (or any goalie for $7 million) and they won't be losing Bennett, Brodie or any core member because of it.

words to live by, thanks for the leg work though roof

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

What if the deal was Hartnell, Bob, and #3 for Backlund, Stajan, 3 2nds, and #6?

taking bob and hartnell would be adding over 12 mil. If the Flames took that on, I'd ask them to take back Stajan and Raymond which would give them a savings of 6 mil. The Flames would still halve to add the other picks though.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

What if the deal was Hartnell, Bob, and #3 for Backlund, Stajan, 3 2nds, and #6?

That is awful for us huge overpayment imo