[Rumour] Flames aggressively trying to move up. UPD: Treliving and Kekelainen meeting on floor

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Bennett plays a style of game that the Flames management covet. He just turned 20 and is poised to have a breakout season. Why would the Flames trade him for a winger that has never played in the NHL that is about to have knee surgery?

Then we get into the talk of Columbus wanting to dump Hartnell or Clarkson in the deal. Bennett is already worth more than Puljujarvi so how can they dump a bad contract as well?

If the Flames get the 3rd pick it is going to be a trade up scenario. Of course I don't know that for sure but logic and common sense point to that being the method they use to get the pick.

1. What's to say Puljujarvi isn't what the flames management covet? It's pretty clear he is with the reports from Garrioch and Globe & Mail.

2. I don't expect Columbus will be able to unload either Hartnell or Clarkson if the cost is Bennett.

3. You're probably right, but to shut it down and say there's 0 chance it's possible I don't think is fair either.

[Bingo]

From a distance you don't really know what's going on but based on what has happened in the past and rumours around the draft I think Treliving has done a good job to position the assets he acquired in the 2nd round to be a big player this weekend.

But I do think he should let it simmer until Friday now, he's set things in motion.

Probably smart to let the Penguins stew in their own filth while he keeps his options open for moving up, get to Friday and be ready to move in one of many directions.

Would hate to see them take on Fleury's contract and shed 2nd round assets before seeing what's what with the Columbus move up option.

Saw last night that Arizona has received a significant offer to move down in the draft as well. Their GM Doogie Howser was talking about 20 going back too far so I'm guessing it's someone in the teens. Would have to think Calgary has seen a similar offer as well with them up a spot on Arizona.

[sureLoss]

Boomer says he believes there is some traction on the conversation between the Flames and CBJ where the Flames will take a bad contract back to move up to 3. He is not sure that it will happen, though.

He also speculates Bobrovsky might be the contract they are taking back.

[dammage79]

Bobrovsky as the contract ? Insanity! The haul CLB will reel in on moving down AND Bob is going to be ludicrous. Just insane. Boomer needs to lay off the maple syrup.

[devo22]

not sure I'd be comfortable paying Bob 7+ a year if I were the Flames ... wasn't too good last year and depending on the + they'd have to add to the 6th OA, I'm not sure it'd be worth it.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

7.43 until after the 18/19 season. No thanks Bob.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Bobrovsky as the contract ? Insanity! The haul CLB will reel in on moving down AND Bob is going to be ludicrous. Just insane. Boomer needs to lay off the maple syrup.

Yes and no.

That essentially kills two birds with one stone and leaves the Penguins on the outside. Good move if you a) like Bobrovsky b) think he's healthy and c) won't have to give up much of anything else to make it happen given a) the size of his contract b) his injury history and c) the expansion draft on the horizon.

but if you see him as an injury prone has been it's a disaster

[Lanny_McDonald]

Bottom line, Flames cannot afford a $7M+ goaltender. They bring in that contract you can kiss Bennett and Brodie goodbye.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by New Era

Bottom line, Flames cannot afford a $7M+ goaltender. They bring in that contract you can kiss Bennett and Brodie goodbye.

Not that I am an advocate for Bob, but this is quite the jump.

Next year it would be tough to get Bob's contract in, but after that the Flames have plenty of room to fit him in. I have no idea how you jump straight to us losing Bennett and Brodie.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by New Era

Bottom line, Flames cannot afford a $7M+ goaltender. They bring in that contract you can kiss Bennett and Brodie goodbye.

What? Why?

Bobrovsky is signed for 3 more years. Literally has zero impact on Brodie.

We have enough bad contracts coming off the books after this year that we'll have more than enough for Bennett.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

Bottom line, Flames cannot afford a $7M+ goaltender. They bring in that contract you can kiss Bennett and Brodie goodbye.

Why?

Bob has 3 years left. With Bennett burning a year in 14-15 he is looking like a bridge deal for sure.

With a ton of the bad money coming off the books next summer and hopefully young guys ready to step in I think they can make it work

Edit: what Comix said

[Poe969]

I think they're stuck with Bobrovsky...there's really only 1 team that needs a goalie so the goalie market is saturated, you're not going to get any other team to take him.

I think it'll be next to impossible to move both Bobrovsky and Clarkson at this stage so Hartnell is the next highest contract...unless they want to move Foligno, which I'd put in the same boat as Hartnell and I'd take but he's their captain so I can't see them trading him.

I think it's going to be a deal centering around #3 OA + Hartnell/Foligno. They're going to want a pick back in return and I don't think the oil or nucks are going to be good trading partners for them so the Flames pick is likely the highest available pick, I think it'll come down to what else is added. The Flames can add a player like Backlund or Colborne and they have a bunch of other picks too. My biggest concern is if there's a team drafting in the top 10-12 who can add better players than Colborne and/or Backlund but I just don't see it. To me a deal between the jackets and Flames just makes sense for both teams.

[Bingo]

well Fleury at 5.75 and Bobrovsky at 7.4 is a difference of 1.6

You could include the 56th pick for 2m of Jackets eating his salary and call it a day.

I looked at his stats, off year last year is it. The rest was pretty solid and he was good at the World's this year as well.

[Toonage]

Just think of how awesome and unannoying it will be if Bobrovsky is traded to Calgary and everyone mimics Jay Onrait endlessly.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yes and no.

That essentially kills two birds with one stone and leaves the Penguins on the outside. Good move if you a) like Bobrovsky b) think he's healthy and c) won't have to give up much of anything else to make it happen given a) the size of his contract b) his injury history and c) the expansion draft on the horizon.

but if you see him as an injury prone has been it's a disaster

I'm a big supporter of getting a Bobrovsky or Varlamov over majority of the goalies out there. the cap doesn't scare so much really. The Flames can function safely for the remaining 3 years of either Bobrovsky's or Varlamovs contracts. Seeing as the Flames had roughly the same amount of cap invested in their goaltending last year if you consider Ortio is going to get a 1 year deal at maybe 1 million or 1.2 depending on things. Maybe they just qualify him for the year too. So I'm not too worried.

Numbers wise Bob had a down year due to some long term injuries only suiting up for 37 games and still posted a .908 on a bad CLB team. I'm good with that as I do not think he will replicate this past season or fall off a cliff like Hiller did. He's 27 and really still just hitting his prime.

Health and durability is my concern. If he can stay healthy for 50 games he's worth the investment.

I just don't know how CLB considers Bob a cap dump which is where I think Boomer is on a sugar high. We've debated the merits of trading down to #10 from #6 where theres not a lot of talent gap to get Varly and still get a good pick and we are thinking reverse here where we trade up and get a #1? I cannot imagine the assets needed to make that happen are in a reasonable atmosphere.

[Poe969]

If Bobrovsky is traded to the Flames, we need a meme of BT yelling "YOU'RE ON THE CASE BOBROVSKKY" because that'll never get old. Ever.

[InBurkeWeTrust]

I'm fine with taking on Bob for three years to move up to 3rd.. not sure if we have to add that much on top of our 6th too

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I just don't know how CLB considers Bob a cap dump which is where I think Boomer is on a sugar high. We've debated the merits of trading down to #10 from #6 where theres not a lot of talent gap to get Varly and still get a good pick and we are thinking reverse here where we trade up and get a #1? I cannot imagine the assets needed to make that happen are in a reasonable atmosphere.

Ok sorry ... misunderstood you.

I see what you're saying. But I guess it comes down to the pressure points facing the Jackets and how they plan to get out of it.

If they can't dump Clarkson they need to dump someone in order to avoid being offer sheeted on Jones.

If they fear that the sand in the hour glass will run out in 11 months and they will lose Korpisalo to Vegas as that ideal about to emerge goaltender.

Only they know where they sit on these things, but if there's some nerves there you never know how this could come together.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Not that I am an advocate for Bob, but this is quite the jump.

Next year it would be tough to get Bob's contract in, but after that the Flames have plenty of room to fit him in. I have no idea how you jump straight to us losing Bennett and Brodie.

Run the numbers. Don't forget to factor in replacements for what you are losing. It's too easy to say that X is coming off the books and then not account for their replacement salaries. The picture isn't pretty.

[devo22]

maybe something like 3 and Bobrovsky for 6, 56 and 65? Sounds about right?!