[News] Flames offersheet O'Reilly UPDATE: Avs match

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Still think people are making too much deal over the $6.5M 2nd year salary.

--The Cap hit is $5M; 2nd year is $6.5M
--We're going to buy people out in the summer, and have cap room. We have no young RFAs due for big raises. Colorado has a worse cap situation with Landeskog, Duchene, expecting big raises.
--We can possibly resign him in the next year, at a rate of ~$5M/avg, which is what he signed for.
--If he completely sucks, we can take him to arbitration.

*slow clap*
It's hard to imagine Colorado accepting it because they already have Duchene and Stasney, both needing or already being paid big money. Chances are that if they match, Colorado will find themselves in a Pittsburgh like situation with Crosby/Malkin/Staal except with quality of the team and players much lower in general.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Really doubt that the Flames finish bottom 5 if this deal goes through.

People are getting way to enamored with draft picks, a 21 year old center like ROR is worth a top 10 pick today.

At least we didn't have to pay the price of a 1st and a top prospect that Colorado was supposedly looking for.

ya that's why I think they match

if it was Edmonton for example and they thought they had a shot at Jones/MacKinnon/Drouin then they may think long and hard about not matching

[polak]

Everyone seems to be calling him a proven commodity... he has one season where he hit 55 points.

Proven is a very generous term

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If ROR is not qualified by July 1, 2014, yes, he will become a UFA.

But the Flames can RE-SIGN him to any kind of contract they want want, starting July 1, 2013. The Flames will NOT be forced to pay him $6.5M.

Would would he sign here? Maybe because he learns to like the team, knows he'll be given every opportunity on the top line? We already know he chose the Flames over the Canucks. Why wouldn't he do it again?

He won't realistically be asking for $6.5M in 2 years unless he comes in and puts up 70 points next season. Personally, I'd love if he did that.

And well, if he won't sign to reasonable terms, the Flames can trade him to a team he wants to sign with, and the Flames will get a huge return.

This is a brilliant move by Feaster.

Perhaps not:

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod Seeing your questions... Told from very reliable source CGY's offer sheet was the only one he received.

[Ashasx]

Look at the teams below the Flames in the standings. They are all awful. The Flames simply cannot compete with the suck of Columbus, NYI, Washington, Florida, Buffalo, etc. this year. This won't be a top 5 pick.

[EldrickOnIce]

More from same article:

There is some notion out there that Ryan O'Reilly isn't a number one centre because he's not going to score 100 points. Let's be clear, there are less than a handful of 100-point centres in the league and two of them play in Pittsburgh. There are a handful more who might consistently score a point-per-game and, after that, there is a larger group, with more variance from year to year, that may put up between 55 and 75 points.

If O'Reilly falls into that group, given his defensive value and the consistently tough matchups he takes on, it's hard to imagine that he doesn't warrant the status of a No. 1 centre.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=416077

If O'Reilly was going to be a 100 point guy, this would have sorted itself out in Colorado.

But does a team as bad as the Flames really think they can build a winner with no draft picks?
I don't know.... but I love the move regardless

[Mike Vernon]

Originally Posted by Poe969

bad move. This kid is not worth a top 5 pick. I really hope the Avs match the deal and are forced to make a trade.....Maybe that's what Feaster wants. The Avs tie up that money in ROR and have to then make a deal and get rid of another good player.

Why does everyone think we have a top 5 pick???? At this moment we pick 8th. I see a lot of teams struggling over us in the coming months and even if the Flames flop I cant see better than 10th pick overall.

ROR is better than an un-proven 10th overall any day of the week. I dont get how everyone thinks 1st round picks all turn out to be Sydney Crosby. Its so rare to get a good pick. Look at the Oilers for F sakes and thats the No. 1 pick for the past 3 years!!!

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Sakari

Also, just gonna throw this out there, do we honestly think that we'd draft someone like O'Reilly in this upcoming draft? Hell no.

People were expecting to draft somebody BETTER than O'Reilly.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by M*A*S*H 4077

Maybe I should clarify a little, I love O'Reilly. He is a great PKer, good defensively and someone who has (somewhat surprisingly) shown he can produce offensively. I think a fair comparison for what he could become is Ryan Kesler (without the diving) and a little less offense. If he signs a long term deal after this one around the 4.5-5M range I think that is where he belongs then this is a good trade. Anything more than that and I don't think he will have the offense to justify the contract (I hope he proves me wrong, be it on the Avalanche or on the Flames)

I'd say his upside is a bit ahead of Kesler who was a bit of a late bloomer, ROR development track has been very quick and he's still very young.

[djsFlames]

And people talk about a Getlaf being very desirable for this team as a FA this offseason..
(but would never sign with Calgary)

This guy is 4 years younger.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Says a rival Western Conference team exec: ``Avs will match for sure.'' Well, we shall see ...

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by polak

Everyone seems to be calling him a proven commodity... he has one season where he hit 55 points.

Proven is a very generous term

And who is calling him "proven"?

No, seriously. Show me the people who are. Show me enough people who are to qualify as an "everyone is saying" statement.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Look at the teams below the Flames in the standings. They are all awful. The Flames simply cannot compete with the suck of Columbus, NYI, Washington, Florida, Buffalo, etc. this year. This won't be a top 5 pick.

Some nights make you wonder...
But hopefully this gives us a better 'safety net' in which we can only get better.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Double Post

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Perhaps not:

Botchford said no Canucks offer either

[Wood]

Great move. It's never fun to see a 1st round pick traded but its worth it for O'Rilley. Anyone who's seen him play more than a few times a year will tell you he's worth more than a 1st and a 3rd

I can't wait to see O'Rilley in a Flames jersey next week! No chance Colorado will keep him IMO

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by polak

Everyone seems to be calling him a proven commodity... he has one season where he hit 55 points.

Proven is a very generous term

While you're right, 55pts from a 21 year old center is pretty tempting for a team desperate for a #1 center.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And who is calling him "proven"?

No, seriously. Show me the people who are. Show me enough people who are to qualify as an "everyone is saying" statement.

There actually were a couple posters using the word proven. I think a better context is to say that he's more proven than the 1st round and 3rd round pick. Both of which haven't been decided where they would be, or who we would have or could have picked.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Botchford said no Canucks offer either

Who?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

More from same article:



http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=416077

If O'Reilly was going to be a 100 point guy, this would have sorted itself out in Colorado.

But does a team as bad as the Flames really think they can build a winner with no draft picks?
I don't know.... but I love the move regardless

Except that we get a very young very good center for that pick. This is equivalent to getting a NHL ready high first round pick that's already shown high development, you don't get that kind of guranteed young player in the draft very often.

Chances are the Flames draft 8th or lower in this years draft without ROR anyways and draft a non impact player that we hope develops.

This shortcuts that scenario. I like this move.