[News] Flames offersheet O'Reilly UPDATE: Avs match

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I'm glad the owners apparently have really fat wallets but this deal makes the Flames look even more stupid.

An awesome draft year and we cough up what could be a chance at a really good player? Or two? Two what support that aging core that's still there!!

Crazy ridiculous money for a guy who is dubbed a very good second line center?

For two years? What's the point here??

It's the managements unwillingness to listen to 95% of the hockey world that's really annoying me with this team.

At what point do you admit that 5% is sheer stubbornness and stop the bleeding?

Losing touch with reality and I'm losing touch as a Flames fan.

A first round pick for a 22 yr. old proven commodity? A bit of an over reaction don't you think. It's not like they are trading for Jagr??

[Ezio]

I have a question if someone doesn't mind answering, can a player that is in the midst of an offer sheet be traded? Thanks in advance.

[$ven27]

Just get in the door, turn on the TV, wow! A part of me is very excited at potentially having ROR, I've always been high on the kid and believe he has Bergeron type potential. However it's also quite worrying.. If that pick turns out to be a ten pick I won't be pleased.

[bubbsy]

man i wish i knew more about o'reilly right about now?

Is he a poor man's (or equivalent) mike richards type Center, who's good in both zones, but not an offensive powerhouse by any means?

Is his offense due to a great shot like jeff carter, though not much of a playmaker?

is he a langkow type center?

This will be amazing if he turns out to be a #1 center. This will be sad if he ends up being a 2nd line center.

[3 Justin 3]

The hard part for the Av's if they match is that the second year is $6.5M. It isn't that year that is the problem, its that the minimum for his next QO would have to be a minimum of $6.5 as well. It's a cheeky contract Feaster drew up.

If we get ROR though, I'm pretty confident the 1st we give up won't be a top 5 pick anyway.

With that said though, I don't think ROR is that good of a player. 2nd line center at best and we need a #1.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I'm glad the owners apparently have really fat wallets but this deal makes the Flames look even more stupid.

An awesome draft year and we cough up what could be a chance at a really good player? Or two? Two what support that aging core that's still there!!

Crazy ridiculous money for a guy who is dubbed a very good second line center?

For two years? What's the point here??

It's the managements unwillingness to listen to 95% of the hockey world that's really annoying me with this team.

At what point do you admit that 5% is sheer stubbornness and stop the bleeding?

Losing touch with reality and I'm losing touch as a Flames fan.

He is 22. Being a very good number 2 at that age means you aren't finished cooking, and to predict that he's plateaued is asinine.

[Sakari]

Also, just sort of pointing out that O'Reilly will probably only get better in time. He could be a 70 point a season player. A lot of people are acting like we just threw an offer sheet at a 45 year old 5"6' ostrich.

[Philly06Cup]

Still think people are making too much deal over the $6.5M 2nd year salary.

--The Cap hit is $5M; 2nd year is $6.5M
--We're going to buy people out in the summer, and have cap room. We have no young RFAs due for big raises. Colorado has a worse cap situation with Landeskog, Duchene, expecting big raises.
--We can possibly resign him in the next year, at a rate of ~$5M/avg, which is what he signed for.
--If he completely sucks, we can take him to arbitration.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

An awesome draft year and we cough up what could be a chance at a really good player? Or two? Two what support that aging core that's still there!!

What's funny is the handful of you who aren't getting it in this thread are debunking yourselves within your own posts.

*The chance* at a really good player. Chance.

It's a slim chance as it is now... never mind adding a player like O'Reilly and getting Kipper back.

O'Reilly vs. anything but a top 1-5 pick is a great move. The chances of us landing a top five pick is very slim.

You just don't get it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

really don't see how they don't match unless they think Calgary is going to finish bottom 5, which I don't think they will and I don't think the Avs will think that

if they don't match

great move for the Flames in terms of value given up, the cap hit is insane

Really doubt that the Flames finish bottom 5 if this deal goes through.

People are getting way to enamored with draft picks, a 21 year old center like ROR is worth a top 10 pick today.

At least we didn't have to pay the price of a 1st and a top prospect that Colorado was supposedly looking for.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Huh? If you do not qualify an RFA they automatically become a UFA unless they are willing to sign for less than their qualifying offer. If a 24 year old O'Reilly is not qualified, why on god's green earth would he ever sign with the Flames for less than his QO when he could just walk out on July 1st and hit the UFA market? I would assume whatever lower offer the Flames made him before the UFA sweepstakes would either a) still be there in his worst case scenario or b) be topped by a better offer either by the Flames or some other team.

If ROR is not qualified by July 1, 2014, yes, he will become a UFA.

But the Flames can RE-SIGN him to any kind of contract they want want, starting July 1, 2013. The Flames will NOT be forced to pay him $6.5M.

Would would he sign here? Maybe because he learns to like the team, knows he'll be given every opportunity on the top line? We already know he chose the Flames over the Canucks. Why wouldn't he do it again?

He won't realistically be asking for $6.5M in 2 years unless he comes in and puts up 70 points next season. Personally, I'd love if he did that.

And well, if he won't sign to reasonable terms, the Flames can trade him to a team he wants to sign with, and the Flames will get a huge return.

This is a brilliant move by Feaster.

[Sakari]

Also, just gonna throw this out there, do we honestly think that we'd draft someone like O'Reilly in this upcoming draft? Hell no.

[djsFlames]

Let me put this in perspective as to why I think this is actually very good for us.

Avs don't match...

Suddenly in a couple weeks our top 9 center group looks like

O'Reilly
Backlund
Stajan

+ Kipper in between the pipes

We will NOT be looking at a 14th place finish,

More like 7th-10th

Avs get a 13-16th place pick. And most likely a player not panning out even close to the caliber of an O'Reilly.

This is why.

On a side note..
Dear lord we might actually have a half decent center group soon..

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Ezio

I have a question if someone doesn't mind answering, can a player that is in the midst of an offer sheet be traded? Thanks in advance.

No, he is now Calgary's property unless Colorado matches. And if they do, they can't trade him for one full calendar year from the date they match.

[Captain_Obvious]

nm

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Still think people are making too much deal over the $6.5M 2nd year salary.

--The Cap hit is $5M; 2nd year is $6.5M
--We're going to buy people out in the summer, and have cap room. We have no young RFAs due for big raises. Colorado has a worse cap situation with Landeskog, Duchene, expecting big raises.
--We can possibly resign him in the next year, at a rate of ~$5M/avg, which is what he signed for.
--If he completely sucks, we can take him to arbitration.

bingo, the cap hit is fine, I don't give two squirts about the actual dollars the owners are paying that.

[Brick]

I like it.

Finally, the Flames get a top six center and the best one available. (I doubt Colorado matches)

Awesome!

[M*A*S*H 4077]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

A fifty point 21 year old center who actually plays center isn't even scratching the surface of what he can accomplish in this league at this point. His cap hit will be 5m, they had to do something to prevent the avalanche from just matching it without question.

Maybe I should clarify a little, I love O'Reilly. He is a great PKer, good defensively and someone who has (somewhat surprisingly) shown he can produce offensively. I think a fair comparison for what he could become is Ryan Kesler (without the diving) and a little less offense. If he signs a long term deal after this one around the 4.5-5M range I think that is where he belongs then this is a good trade. Anything more than that and I don't think he will have the offense to justify the contract (I hope he proves me wrong, be it on the Avalanche or on the Flames). And to add, I personally think that a cap hit of 5M is too much for him right now

[MyFlamesFirst]

To be honest this is a shocker to me. Its risky as its a deep draft and our 1st and 3rd but at the same time this is a proven young center. I'm going with good move. I'm glad it looks like Feaster has a set of balls.

[Vulcan]

Hey at least we wont' be giving up two first rounders like the Leafs did. I like the deal but I think Colorado will match just as Nashville did when everyone thought they couldn't.