11-08-2016, 07:58 AM
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#5761
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Even with a massive Hillary win (like say running it up with wins in Arizona and Georgia and taking Ohio anyway), the damage has been done. Trump has emboldened the alt-right and white genocide believers that their future is in deep peril, and that (white) America will disappear sometime in the near future as Sharia Law and Taco Trucks take over America. That damage
cannot be undone. It's up to Republicans to repudiate this group, but that means losing many more elections for years to come at the Congressional level, as that 30-40% of their base would now be gone.
But they showed this election that winning, even if it means selling out and allowing a hate group to co-opt their party, is what matters. And the GOP isn't allowing there to be any healing or coming together
for the sake of the country, we can expect multiple committees going after Hillary as soon as she takes the oath. America's future is pretty bleak right now unless Republicans finally stand up to the
deplorables.
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Wow, did that make me want to book the suicide booth.
I think we have to be hopeful that congress will abide by their oaths to uphold the constitution and will behave like adults. I fully expect a certain level of obstructionism from the Republicans if Clinton is elected, but I believe that they will do their duty and find some common ground to govern the land as they were charged to do by their constituents. The same extends to the Democrats if Trump is elected. I truly hope that the core foundations of our democracy continues to guide each and every representative in the execution of their duties, and the sheer negativity of this race will be enough motivation to do so. The country hit a new low in this election cycle, I hope the representatives follow the high road. This is my hope and I place what little faith I have left in the system in the hands of these men and women to do the right thing, for all Americans.
If our representatives can behave like adults then there is hope for preventing a Clinton term from turning into a non-stop gong show of legislative process and procedure abuses. If they do their jobs they can prevent a Trump presidency turning into the authoritarian regime that many pundits fear. Congress is more important than the presidency in this regard, as they are one of the checks and balances in the system that allows the system to work. If they fail to properly execute their duties, and act like adults, then we have huge problems ahead.
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11-08-2016, 08:01 AM
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#5762
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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Let's give it up to Trump travelling press corp. They dealt with a lot of #### just from the Trump cult, nevermind all the nonsense they had to deal with from the actual campaign.
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/795877299753254912
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11-08-2016, 08:02 AM
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#5763
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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This seems pretty cool, has a Google Trends map showing searches for election related things.
https://projects.propublica.org/electionland/
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11-08-2016, 08:03 AM
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#5764
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by New Era
Wow, did that make me want to book the suicide booth.
I think we have to be hopeful that congress will abide by their oaths to uphold the constitution and will behave like adults. I fully expect a certain level of obstructionism from the Republicans if Clinton is elected, but I believe that they will do their duty and find some common ground to govern the land as they were charged to do by their constituents. The same extends to the Democrats if Trump is elected. I truly hope that the core foundations of our democracy continues to guide each and every representative in the execution of their duties, and the sheer negativity of this race will be enough motivation to do so. The country hit a new low in this election cycle, I hope the representatives follow the high road. This is my hope and I place what little faith I have left in the system in the hands of these men and women to do the right thing, for all Americans.
If our representatives can behave like adults then there is hope for preventing a Clinton term from turning into a non-stop gong show of legislative process and procedure abuses. If they do their jobs they can prevent a Trump presidency turning into the authoritarian regime that many pundits fear. Congress is more important than the presidency in this regard, as they are one of the checks and balances in the system that allows the system to work. If they fail to properly execute their duties, and act like adults, then we have huge problems ahead.
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Well let's see if HRC can hold up her end of the bargain. If she overreaches like Obama did with executive actions, the GOP will have every right to halt her agenda.
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11-08-2016, 08:04 AM
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#5765
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Marseilles Of The Prairies
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
Well let's see if HRC can hold up her end of the bargain. If she overreaches like Obama did with executive actions, the GOP will have every right to halt her agenda.
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It's true, government getting things done is overrated.
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11-08-2016, 08:08 AM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
Well let's see if HRC can hold up her end of the bargain. If she overreaches like Obama did with executive actions, the GOP will have every right to halt her agenda.
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Which came first, executive actions or obstruction?
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11-08-2016, 08:09 AM
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Not the one...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
Well let's see if HRC can hold up her end of the bargain. If she overreaches like Obama did with executive actions, the GOP will have every right to halt her agenda.
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I can't think of any (domestic) executive actions by Obama that I found objectionable and wasn't preceded by abject GOP obstruction.
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11-08-2016, 08:10 AM
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#5768
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
The GOP has to basically assume the deplorables will still mostly vote GOP even if they are denounced. I'm guessing the deplorables, even if they won't admit it, backed Romney at probably an 85-90% clip. In the current two party system, they have nowhere to go. Dems figured the Bernie or Busters would mostly come on board in the end. And from polling they mostly did, at about a 90% rate. Where else do the deplorables have to go? A third party cannibalizes the GOP's chances leaves open the possibility of mass Dem wins across the board, and even more immigrants and open borders and Sharia Law etc...
Basically in the current sports team environment of politics, it's hatred of the opposition that is the biggest fuel there is. I think the GOP can denounce the racism and bigotry of the deplorables, yet still get most of their votes because they have nowhere else to go. And in denouncing them, you can win a few more votes in the middle you need to win. But if they don't denounce them, they keep losing and the paths get even more impossible as Texas and Georgia and Arizona become purple and eventually blue. Big decision for them after the election as to where to go.
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Trump has definitely done a lot of damage. But a loss today will start to marginalize the deplorables. Sure, they'll go down kicking and screaming, but they won't have any real power, and will only get more irrelevant as time goes by. And, hey, we'll have 650 million new immigrants next week if Hillary wins, so, they'll only be a tiny percent!
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11-08-2016, 08:15 AM
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#5769
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Eric Trump breaks NY law and takes a picture of his filled in ballot.
https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/795958105343463424
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11-08-2016, 08:16 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nfotiu
Trump has definitely done a lot of damage. But a loss today will start to marginalize the deplorables. Sure, they'll go down kicking and screaming, but they won't have any real power, and will only get more irrelevant as time goes by. And, hey, we'll have 650 million new immigrants next week if Hillary wins, so, they'll only be a tiny percent!
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Here's the Bloomberg article from a few weeks back. Make no mistake, Trump and company (mostly Bannon) have every intention of trying to take over the GOP. So this may only be the beginning for the deplorables.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-12-days-to-go
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11-08-2016, 08:18 AM
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#5771
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Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Slinger
Which came first, executive actions or obstruction?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gozer
I can't think of any (domestic) executive actions by Obama that I found objectionable and wasn't preceded by abject GOP obstruction.
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This really frustrates me.
What is the GOP supposed to do? Just rubber stamp what Obama proposes?
There are separation of powers for a reason.
Do you guys remember Tom Daschle and Harry Reid obstructing Bush's agenda?
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11-08-2016, 08:19 AM
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#5772
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Clinton does the #MannequinChallenge on her plane, lol.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/statu...71845778444292
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11-08-2016, 08:21 AM
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#5773
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Reminder: This is unquestionably the #1 guy you must follow tonight on Twitter for Trump meltdowns
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Bill MitchellVerified account
@mitchellvii
I'm not betting this race. The bookmakers are gonna go bankrupt when Trump wins and I might never get paid.
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https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/stat...06900227829761
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11-08-2016, 08:24 AM
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Not the one...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
This really frustrates me.
What is the GOP supposed to do? Just rubber stamp what Obama proposes?
There are separation of powers for a reason.
Do you guys remember Tom Daschle and Harry Reid obstructing Bush's agenda?
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Harry Reid definitely obstructed Bush. But reasonably, imo, and they never blocked a vote on a Supreme Court nominee (like Harriet Myers) or filibustered their own bills to stymie progress.
Which executive orders by Obama bother you the most?
edit; I agree 100% with your concern regarding the erosion of separation of powers. It seemed that the White House would bring their proposals to the Senate, which would then die in the house.
But it's a chicken-egg thing. If the house Repubs weren't an embarrassment then it might not be nessacary.
This 'executive reliance' was also most egregious under Bush, when the Iraq war vote was actually a vote to give the President free licence.
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11-08-2016, 08:27 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
This really frustrates me.
What is the GOP supposed to do? Just rubber stamp what Obama proposes?
There are separation of powers for a reason.
Do you guys remember Tom Daschle and Harry Reid obstructing Bush's agenda?
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But when a party refuses to do something as constitutionally inherent to their job like holding hearings for a SCOTUS nominee not based on the nominee's merit, but solely based on the President who nominated him, that goes beyond separation of powers.
When multiple members of the GOP have lauded Merrick Garland as a possible SCOTUS choice--but then refuse to even have a hearing for him, because Obama nominated him, and to then insist that they refuse to appoint any judge until a Republican is in the White House? That's utter madness. That's hamstringing one of the major parts of the American governance, leaving the Supreme Court in limbo and without any real power.
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11-08-2016, 08:27 AM
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#5776
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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He's still asking for money?
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11-08-2016, 08:27 AM
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#5777
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
I really hope that Toomey and Ayotte survive today.
Would hate to see those two very sensible and likeable Senators leave.
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Originally Posted by wittynickname
Living in Toomey's state?
Nope. I want him gone. Beyond all the other issues I have with him, he flat out said he refused to even give a hearing to a Supreme Court nominee because Barack Obama nominated him. He said he would've confirmed Merrick Garland if it wasn't Obama attempting the appointment.
He refused to appoint a thoroughly qualified man for a seat on the Supreme Court because he was having a hissy fit because he doesn't like President Obama.
Do your job or lose it.
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Toomey is a clown.
Relevant tweet:
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
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11-08-2016, 08:31 AM
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#5778
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Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gozer
harry reid definitely obstructed bush. But reasonably, imo, and they never blocked a vote on a supreme court nominee (like harriet myers) or filibustered their own bills to stymie progress.
Which executive orders by obama bother you the most?
Edit; i agree 100% with your concern regarding the erosion of separation of powers. It seemed that the white house would bring their proposals to the senate, which would then die in the house.
But it's a chicken-egg thing. If the house repubs weren't an embarrassment then it might not be nessacary.
This 'executive reliance' was also most egregious under bush, when the iraq war vote was actually a vote to give the president free licence.
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11-08-2016, 08:31 AM
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#5779
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
He's still asking for money?
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Pitchforks, torches, and muskets aren't cheap!
Regarding obstruction, I'm also going to go out on a limb (since I don't know for a fact and don't care enough to look) and say Reid also didn't shut down the government on Bush.
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11-08-2016, 08:34 AM
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#5780
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
This really frustrates me.
What is the GOP supposed to do? Just rubber stamp what Obama proposes?
There are separation of powers for a reason.
Do you guys remember Tom Daschle and Harry Reid obstructing Bush's agenda?
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What are they supposed to do? How about start with their jobs?
Governance is about negotiation and compromise. Find the things that we all agree on, then work to find compromise on the things we don't. The Republicans have taken the tact of just saying no to everything proposed by the Democrats until they get what they want. Obamacare is the perfect example. That legislation is not on the President. That abomination is on congress, as they were the ones who negotiated and drafted the bill. Instead of drafting pragmatic legislation the Republicans attempted to sabotage the bill by bloating it with rules and bad policy. Both parties contributed to bad legislation, but one has mastered obstructionism to get their way. The Republicans seem less interested in governance and more interested in destroying the system all together, then building it back up to suit their needs. That isn't how the process was supposed to work. They are failing in upholding their oath of office.
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