2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by omelete

If the Flames are at a 100 point pace at the deadline they'll hold on to everyone under the assumption they're a cup contender. Heck, if prior history is to be believed as long as they're within sniffing distance of the playoffs they'll most likely not make any significant moves with the hope that they'll be able to sneak in.

Maybe the times, they are a changin'? Guy can hope at least!

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Maybe the times, they are a changin'? Guy can hope at least!

Considering Florida just made the finals, the get in & anything can happen sentiment will be strong next season.
Couple that with a divisional rival who won the cup after missing the playoffs the previous season and all the talking points will be the Flames can do it to.
We're already seeing a large segment of the fans here saying it & the season hasn't started.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Even if the Flames are in a playoff spot they should still move the remaining pending UFAs.

They won't

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Considering Florida just made the finals, the get in & anything can happen sentiment will be strong next season.
Couple that with a divisional rival who won the cup after missing the playoffs the previous season and all the talking points will be the Flames can do it to.
We're already seeing a large segment of the fans here saying it & the season hasn't started.

I think it's a sensible stance. If you believe the competition is tougher and tougher year after year due to the cap, then not much separates the 1st seed in most seasons to the 8th seed and indeed, anything can happen if you can get in.

It's not 1996 anymore when getting in as an 8th seed was an automatic out.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The only guys walking to free agency that I could stomach for the sake of a "run" are Tanev, Zadorov and maybe Backlund.

The big two must be dealt if they aren't re-signing.

[gvitaly]

The Athletic ranked the Flames 20th in contract efficiency for next season. They ranked Florida 1st, and Carolina 2nd.

With the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts on the books the Flames have fallen to 20th from 6th overall. Surprisingly enough they forgot Rasmus Andersson, and as a whole the Flames overpay their players by only $1.5M. What isn't surprising is that they consider Lindholm the most underpaid player on the team. He's making $3.5M less than his value which puts him around $8.3M by their estimate. However when they project his value after this season they get $7.2M x 8 years as his break even value.

[jesters91]

Capitals Getting in on Lindholm Trade Talk?

Fellow Hockey News writer Sammi Silber recommended the Washington Capitals monitor Lindholm’s situation due to his valuable two-way play and leadership, traits that suit their need for a dependable top-six center. Because the team is revamping the top six and deciding on Evgeny Kuznetsov‘s future, Lindholm would make a lot of sense for that organization.

Yet, Silber acknowledged the challenge of acquiring Lindholm, as the Capitals’ potential trade assets like Kuznetsov and Anthony Mantha may not be sufficient to tempt the Flames. Additionally, the uncertainties surrounding Lindholm’s future contract cost and the Capitals’ outlook beyond the Alex Ovechkin era could pose obstacles in persuading him to commit to a long-term deal.

“…his next contract will pay quite a bit, and the Capitals are on track to rebuild after the Alex Ovechkin era comes to an end. Given Lindholm’s refusal to commit to a struggling Flames team, it’s hard to imagine he wants to stick around for a retool. Unless it’s a rental situation, it’s unlikely that Lindholm could sign long-term if there’s a Stanley Cup favorite who’s willing to pay him the money he wants.”

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The Athletic ranked the Flames 20th in contract efficiency for next season. They ranked Florida 1st, and Carolina 2nd.

With the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts on the books the Flames have fallen to 20th from 6th overall. Surprisingly enough they forgot Rasmus Andersson, and as a whole the Flames overpay their players by only $1.5M. What isn't surprising is that they consider Lindholm the most underpaid player on the team. He's making $3.5M less than his value which puts him around $8.3M by their estimate. However when they project his value after this season they get $7.2M x 8 years as his break even value.

They have Chucky's contract as the best one in the league. They've valued him at $16.6M x 7 instead of the $9.5M x 7 he's making, giving Florida a $49.7M surplus on his contract alone. The next best contract on the team is Verhaeghe with a $10.1M surplus. They value him at $9.2M vs his $4.2M actual, but he only has 2 years left so not as much savings over the life of that deal.

Originally Posted by The Athletic

Last year’s top team in contract efficiency remains at the top and it’s not hard to see why: There is arguably no better contract in the NHL than the one that belongs to Matthew Tkachuk. His market value comes in a shade below a league max deal and that’s due to the seven-year term where the salary cap likely rises to $100 million or more.

Edit: According to them, our best contract is Weegar's. It gives us a $5.5M surplus over its 7 years. Our next best contract is Lindholm's with a $3.5M surplus for one whole year lol. The next best contract we have is the $1.9M surplus we're getting from... (insert dramatic pause here) RUZICKA! They value him at $2.7M and we're only paying him $800K - but it's only for one season. The Huberdeau contract is apparently a $33.5M overpayment over the duration, but I dunno. I think we need to wait until at least this season is over before really having any idea.

Edit: Yikes. They have Valimaki valued at $4.2M vs the $1M he actually makes. Man.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jesters91

Capitals Getting in on Lindholm Trade Talk?

Fellow Hockey News writer Sammi Silber recommended the Washington Capitals monitor Lindholm’s situation due to his valuable two-way play and leadership, traits that suit their need for a dependable top-six center. Because the team is revamping the top six and deciding on Evgeny Kuznetsov‘s future, Lindholm would make a lot of sense for that organization.

Yet, Silber acknowledged the challenge of acquiring Lindholm, as the Capitals’ potential trade assets like Kuznetsov and Anthony Mantha may not be sufficient to tempt the Flames. Additionally, the uncertainties surrounding Lindholm’s future contract cost and the Capitals’ outlook beyond the Alex Ovechkin era could pose obstacles in persuading him to commit to a long-term deal.

“…his next contract will pay quite a bit, and the Capitals are on track to rebuild after the Alex Ovechkin era comes to an end. Given Lindholm’s refusal to commit to a struggling Flames team, it’s hard to imagine he wants to stick around for a retool. Unless it’s a rental situation, it’s unlikely that Lindholm could sign long-term if there’s a Stanley Cup favorite who’s willing to pay him the money he wants.”

No thanks to Kuznetsov. I can't see the Flames interested in a guy making that much who is on the decline and has some personal baggage as well. Now if the Caps want to offer up Connor McMichael that is a different story.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No thanks to Kuznetsov. I can't see the Flames interested in a guy making that much who is on the decline and has some personal baggage as well. Now if the Caps want to offer up Connor McMichael that is a different story.

I think Kuznetsov would be a good option to flip to another team while we take on another center/top 6 forward. Not sure who else is trying to make a shakeup, maybe Carolina? Kuznetsov with Svech would be something. Maybe Vancouver with Kuzmenko and the rest of the Russian squad, giving Calgary JT Miller?

If we walked away with a 1st, Mcmichael, and JT Miller I think that would be a decent haul. Maybe a mid prospect added from Calgary with Washington.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think Kuznetsov would be a good option to flip to another team while we take on another center/top 6 forward. Not sure who else is trying to make a shakeup, maybe Carolina? Kuznetsov with Svech would be something. Maybe Vancouver with Kuzmenko and the rest of the Russian squad, giving Calgary JT Miller?

If we walked away with a 1st, Mcmichael, and JT Miller I think that would be a decent haul. Maybe a mid prospect added from Calgary with Washington.

I think that would be aquiring a locker room cancer, only to flip him for a WORSE locker room cancer.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I think that would be aquiring a locker room cancer, only to flip him for a WORSE locker room cancer.

Perhaps. However, JT Miller brings an element that not many of our forwards have. He would bring that grit and skill we need since Tkachuk left. Is he perfect? Nope, probably not. But a lot of his "locker room cancer" was due to the fact that at one point that he was the only one giving a damn in Vancouver.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Edit: Yikes. They have Valimaki valued at $4.2M vs the $1M he actually makes. Man.

I think Valimaki needed a bit of opportunity to regain his confidence as he's another player that didn't benefit from Darryl's approach. It just seemed like Sutter wasn't a fan from day one.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No thanks to Kuznetsov. I can't see the Flames interested in a guy making that much who is on the decline and has some personal baggage as well. Now if the Caps want to offer up Connor McMichael that is a different story.

It's good to have more than 1 team interested, however, Washington isn't too dissimilar than the Bruins.

Bruins have Lysell, Caps have McMichael. McMichael plays the position we want (C) but his numbers are less than stellar so far. Lysell probably has a higher ceiling (top 6 F vs top 9 for McMichael). So do you go with the player with the higher ceiling vs the player that plays the position of need? And that's presuming that those players are even being offered in any deal for Lindholm.

Either way, we have to take money back from the Bs (Debrusk or Grzelcyk) or caps (presumably Mantha) in order for them to fit in Lindholm. Comes down to the add of a good young F and what these teams are willing to offer.

[Toonage]

That Lindholm stuff isn't even a rumor. Its some writer's recommendation lol.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

They won't

I could see them doing the opposite, adding pieces if they are in a secure playoff spot.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think Kuznetsov would be a good option to flip to another team while we take on another center/top 6 forward. Not sure who else is trying to make a shakeup, maybe Carolina? Kuznetsov with Svech would be something. Maybe Vancouver with Kuzmenko and the rest of the Russian squad, giving Calgary JT Miller?

If we walked away with a 1st, Mcmichael, and JT Miller I think that would be a decent haul. Maybe a mid prospect added from Calgary with Washington.

JT Miller!?!? That's one of the worst contracts in the NHL, are you serious? He's an awful player now that doesn't try and is a complete and utter cancer in the dressing room to the point of it being public knowledge.

How in the world would you think bringing him in would be a positive? The cost to get rid his contract alone would have to be multiple firsts with the term left.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by jayswin

JT Miller!?!? That's one of the worst contracts in the NHL, are you serious? He's an awful player now that doesn't try and is a complete and utter cancer in the dressing room to the point of it being public knowledge.

How in the world would you think bringing him in would be a positive? The cost to get rid his contract alone would have to be multiple firsts with the term left.

Lol, no it wouldn't. We're talking about a guy that has been over a PPG since being traded to Vancouver. But that is also taking in account that he plays 20+ minutes a game there, so he would have to have that ice time to continue producing at a PPG clip.

Guys doesn't always mesh well, Miller could be different. I guess one could argue that if we're getting another early 30's player with 7 years left, you may as well extend Lindholm.

Could always have a 3-way involving some sort of combo of Myers, Garland, Mantha, Boeser, Backlund, Hanifin instead. Just spit-balling. There aren't very many centers out there for Calgary to grab. The only one that comes to mind is Scheifele, but he's in a similar situation as Lindholm.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

It's good to have more than 1 team interested, however, Washington isn't too dissimilar than the Bruins.

Bruins have Lysell, Caps have McMichael. McMichael plays the position we want (C) but his numbers are less than stellar so far. Lysell probably has a higher ceiling (top 6 F vs top 9 for McMichael). So do you go with the player with the higher ceiling vs the player that plays the position of need? And that's presuming that those players are even being offered in any deal for Lindholm.

Either way, we have to take money back from the Bs (Debrusk or Grzelcyk) or caps (presumably Mantha) in order for them to fit in Lindholm. Comes down to the add of a good young F and what these teams are willing to offer.

I watched McMichael a lot on the Knights, he is the real deal. I think his ceiling is definitely better than Lysell. I think McMichael is at least a #2 C for a floor.

[Sandman]

I think they rushed McMichael a bit, but there’s still a player there.