2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[jayswin]

Our fans are looking for a unicorn roster. This is Calgary, most players don't want to be here, and ownership always wants to win now. You're not gong to construct a full roster of "future positive" players. Not going to happen.

So if you're going to go for it, you may need to toss a couple of "problem" type star players that will undoubtedly not be here after their current contact.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I'm probably in the minority but if we trade Lindholm I would love to try and get Kuznetsov. He's got two years left on his contract, he's still electric and a change of scenery can do wonders for motivation. Plus playing with fellow Russian Zadorov, Belarusian Sharangovich could ease in the transition. When he's on his game, he drives play.

As long as Harling Mays comes with Kuznetsov we will be okay.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Alternatively : hanifin and backs (at 50%) for Yager, pickering, 2024 1st and granlund wouldn't be bad because I see pickering as having mid 1st value. Also, in a weaker draft Yager would be late top 10.

That's essentially three 1sts and granlund.

I agree with Sofa GM that the return I proposed seems underwhelming and this trade looks much more reasonable under normal circumstances. Any other year and I think this trade return is more likely. But all we have heard is that the offers have been very underwhelming and we have seen good players (for example, Taylor Hall and Tyler Toffoli) traded for very little return. That is why my trade proposal is so conservative. I might have gone too far in favouring the trade to the Penguins though.

My trade proposal still returns their top prospect (Yager) who, as you said, would likely be a top ten pick in other drafts. And I do think the flames would have to overpay to convince Pittsburgh to trade him. Their prospect cupboards are pretty bare so trading him is a very big “all in” move for them. It is essentially two firsts, a second and granlund.


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[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I agree with Sofa GM that the return I proposed seems underwhelming and this trade looks much more reasonable under normal circumstances. Any other year and I think this trade return is more likely. But all we have heard is that the offers have been very underwhelming and we have seen good players (for example, Taylor Hall and Tyler Toffoli) traded for very little return. That is why my trade proposal is so conservative. I might have gone too far in favouring the trade to the Penguins though.

My trade proposal still returns their top prospect (Yager) who, as you said, would likely be a top ten pick in other drafts. And I do think the flames would have to overpay to convince Pittsburgh to trade him. Their prospect cupboards are pretty bare so trading him is a very big “all in” move for them. It is essentially two firsts, a second and granlund.


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The team that’s going “all in” is the one that should be overpaying for a difference-making player with a cap hit that’s significantly less than their market value. If those offers aren’t forthcoming, wait for a team to have an injury or for the trade deadline. You take a risk that your asset may also be injured, but the probability of getting less due to a long-term injury is small compared to the type of underpayment we are currently debating.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by flambers

Or over valuing the asset,

Seems likely since the market has fallen to the point you couldn't get a 1st round pick moving in the past draft.

But they still have Vladar and can reassess the value now (and the timeline). Rather than then "move him for anything!" in a panic.

[shutout]

To Penguins:
Hanifin (if he signs an eight year deal)

To Flames:
Yager
Pickering
Granlund

[Major Major]

I really hate the Granlund aspect. He's worth a first round pick on his own to take the contract. And then you look at Hanifin's value at a first plus. Pitt isn't going to pay the price.

Take him to the deadline.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I really hate the Granlund aspect. He's worth a first round pick on his own to take the contract. And then you look at Hanifin's value at a first plus. Pitt isn't going to pay the price.

Take him to the deadline.

Flames can not afford to take all of the pending UFAs to the deadline,

Risk is a few of them won't be moved

I would hope he is traded, before training camp starts.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Sec214

As long as Harling Mays comes with Kuznetsov we will be okay.

10/4 captain whip

[Toonage]

If the Pens deal were real, comes to fruition etc and it costs 2 years of Granlund for a 1st and 2 prospects? One of which the Flames may have taken anyway had a deal with Pitt gone down at the draft? You do it.

Re: Vladar, given what Conroy has said about Wolf I'm lead to believe he'll be given every opportunity to take the backup spot at camp and if he does so, they'll demote Vladar and roll he dice with him being claimed.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If the Pens deal were real, comes to fruition etc and it costs 2 years of Granlund for a 1st and 2 prospects? One of which the Flames may have taken anyway had a deal with Pitt gone down at the draft? You do it.

Re: Vladar, given what Conroy has said about Wolf I'm lead to believe he'll be given every opportunity to take the backup spot at camp and if he does so, they'll demote Vladar and roll he dice with him being claimed.

They won’t roll the dice with him being claimed. No chance.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

They won’t roll the dice with him being claimed. No chance.

Odds aren't good he's claimed, what with rosters being finalized around that time and cap still likely tight for most teams.

Also if cmpdave is accurate, the Flames were considering adding Vladar to a deal for the Pens 3rd round pick, #90 OA. Cap space has the same value at that point. IMO

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by flambers

Flames can not afford to take all of the pending UFAs to the deadline,

Risk is a few of them won't be moved

I would hope he is traded, before training camp starts.

The cool thing about taking Lindholm and Hanifin to the deadline is that they help you win games besides also being the strongest market.

The flames play 59 games prior to the trade deadline. If they play at 100 point pace for those games, they only need to go at .500 or maybe 1 point above in the last 23.

So you can maximize your trade value and potentially punch your ticket. I wouldn't be accepting that cap dump lumped in with a couple mid grade prospects.

As for the rest of the ufa crop, you'll sign a couple, lose a couple... They don't appear to have much value now, so why not play the majority of the season with them and see if you're any good.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The cool thing about taking Lindholm and Hanifin to the deadline is that they help you win games besides also being the strongest market.

The flames play 59 games prior to the trade deadline. If they play at 100 point pace for those games, they only need to go at .500 or maybe 1 point above in the last 23.

So you can maximize your trade value and potentially punch your ticket. I wouldn't be accepting that cap dump lumped in with a couple mid grade prospects.

As for the rest of the ufa crop, you'll sign a couple, lose a couple... They don't appear to have much value now, so why not play the majority of the season with them and see if you're any good.

The uncool thing is if they get hurt we aren't getting anything for them, always a bit of a gamble to go past X-mas in my opinion.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

The uncool thing is if they get hurt we aren't getting anything for them, always a bit of a gamble to go past X-mas in my opinion.

No doubt, I just hope they aren't risk averse to the point of accepting mediocre returns.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by flambers

Flames can not afford to take all of the pending UFAs to the deadline,

Risk is a few of them won't be moved

I would hope he is traded, before training camp starts.

I have no doubt that should they all get to the trade deadline and not be signed that all of them will go (provided CGY is not in a playoff spot at the time). The arms race in the East will be crazy.

Cap will not be a huge issue then, filling holes for their shot will be.

CAR, NYR, NYI, NJD all have cap space, draft picks, and a belief that they are contenders with limited time.

I'd rather take less in March and feel "hey, at least they go something." than junk in Sept and feel "hey they got swindled".

As Lou says "If you've go time, use it." still plenty of time.

[dissentowner]

Troy Terry and the Ducks are far apart on their arbitration ask. Ducks coming in at 4.5M and Terry wants 8.

[cannon7]

Even if the Flames are in a playoff spot they should still move the remaining pending UFAs.

[omelete]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The cool thing about taking Lindholm and Hanifin to the deadline is that they help you win games besides also being the strongest market.

The flames play 59 games prior to the trade deadline. If they play at 100 point pace for those games, they only need to go at .500 or maybe 1 point above in the last 23.

So you can maximize your trade value and potentially punch your ticket. I wouldn't be accepting that cap dump lumped in with a couple mid grade prospects.

As for the rest of the ufa crop, you'll sign a couple, lose a couple... They don't appear to have much value now, so why not play the majority of the season with them and see if you're any good.

If the Flames are at a 100 point pace at the deadline they'll hold on to everyone under the assumption they're a cup contender. Heck, if prior history is to be believed as long as they're within sniffing distance of the playoffs they'll most likely not make any significant moves with the hope that they'll be able to sneak in.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

RCMPDave got the Conroy hiring and Nonis but doesn't seem to have hit anything else.

They haven't done anything else to be fair. Just the Toffoli trade and signing a 7th D