I think Carolina is nearly a sure bet to take Monahan, given their drafting history (Huge % of NA players) and the apparent reluctance/dislike for Rutherford in taking a D-man in the first round.
I would bet the Flames are left with the choice between Lindholm/Nichushkin/Nurse.
Hopefully they choose Lindholm in that scenario.
I could also see Carolina having Nichushkin in their top few and taking him. I'm certainly hoping that is possible!
I don't think anyone that cheers against their team deserves anything. I think it is sad and pathetic. But hey you are entitled to your opinion as much as I am
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Those two other first-round selections — at Nos. 22 and 28 — are in play depending on the situation. After all, this is a team with a history of trading down to add more selections and is without a second-round pick this summer, having dealt that to the Montreal Canadiens.
“The good part is we’ve already gone through a lot of different scenarios. We’ve already dry-run and mock-drafted, that sort of thing,” Feaster said. “We’ve identified which teams have those multiple second(-round drafts) that might want to move up, and some teams already knocked on the door and said, ‘If the right guy is there…’ ”
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Although moving 28 for a couple 2nds would make sense, I'd rather try to utilize the later 1sts to move up, not down (If possible) first. A second pick in the top 7-15 would be very ideal if we can't find a way to bump 6 into the top 5.
Although moving 28 for a couple 2nds would make sense, I'd rather try to utilize the later 1sts to move up, not down (If possible) first. A second pick in the top 7-15 would be very ideal if we can't find a way to bump 6 into the top 5.
Only thing is that you might get a similar player at 22 as you would at 15. The depth of this draft means we will get solid players at our picks, and solid players will be available in the 2nd round which is why I hope we do load up and get as many picks as we can in the top 61.
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I think I'd almost rather have Lindholm or Monahan available at 6 but not both. I'd like to have the choice between the two but I think I prefer the oilers to not get either of them.
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Only thing is that you might get a similar player at 22 as you would at 15.
Sure. Or you might get a guy at 15 that you have ranked top 10. That is why teams move up. Flames won't move up just to move up, they'll do it if a particular prospect is still available that they really want and are willing to pay to move up to get.
If we use all 3 picks to get two players in our top 10 I'm personally fine with that.
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Some examples of actual trades to move up into top 10 over last 11 drafts. All depends on number of factors, but using some precedent, it shouldn't be extortionate to move up a few spots. Using the 28th pick to move into top 5 seems excessive unless we also get a 2nd back. Anyway...from this website http://www.prosportstransactions.com...tTrades/Years/:
BJ's pick Nash by moving from 3rd to 1st: Traded 2002 first round pick (#3-Jay Bouwmeester), Panthers option to swap 2003 first round picks (not exercised) to Panthers for 2002 first round pick (#1-Rick Nash), Panthers option to swap 2003 first round picks (not exercised) on 2002-06-22
Panthers move up one spot from 10th to 9th: Traded 2002 first round pick (#9-Petr Taticek) to Panthers for 2002 first round pick (#10-Eric Nystrom), 2002 fourth round pick (#99-Michael Lambert) on 2002-06-22
Pitts moves up from 3rd to 1st to grab Fleury: Traded 2003 first round pick (#3-Nathan Horton), 2003 second round pick (#55-Stefan Meyer) to Panthers for 2003 first round pick (#1-Marc-Andre Fleury), 2003 third round pick (#73-Dan Carcillo) on 2003-06-21
Carolina moves up from 8th to 4th (BJ's doing it wrong again): Traded 2004 first round pick (#8-Alexandre Picard), 2004 second round pick (#59-Kyle Wharton) Blue Jackets for 2004 first round pick (#4-Andrew Ladd) on 2004-06-26
Sharks trade up from 12th to 8th: Traded 2005 first round pick (#12-Marc Staal), 2005 second round pick (#49-Chad Denny), 2005 seventh round pick (#207-Myles Stoesz) to Thrashers for 2005 first round pick (#8-Devin Setoguchi) on 2005-07-30
Sharks move from 13th to 9th to get Couture: Traded 2007 first round pick (#13-Lars Eller), 2007 second round pick (#44-Aaron Palushaj), 2008 third round pick (#87-Ian Schultz) to Blues for 2007 first round pick (#9-Logan Couture) on 2007-06-22
Predators move from 9th to 7th: Traded 2008 first round pick (#9-Josh Bailey), 2008 second round pick (#40-Aaron Ness) to Islanders for 2008 first round pick (#7-Colin Wilson) on 2008-06-20
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I've read alot of people making comments to the effect of, "At least drafting has improved with Feaster...".
So far I am not seeing an improvement in drafting. While it is true that the flames have had more rookies on the roster in recent years, it appears that is only becuase management has opened up spots to "try out" young players. I will be convinced that drafting has improved when some impact players start to produce in the NHL. Baerschi seems like the real deal and falls into the impact player category but he appears to be the only one.
You can talk all day about gaudreau, jankowski, reinheart ect, but until they make it to the nhl and start contributing, It's to early to give feaster credit for improving the flames drafting.
I've read alot of people making comments to the effect of, "At least drafting has improved with Feaster...".
So far I am not seeing an improvement in drafting. While it is true that the flames have had more rookies on the roster in recent years, it appears that is only becuase management has opened up spots to "try out" young players. I will be convinced that drafting has improved when some impact players start to produce in the NHL. Baerschi seems like the real deal and falls into the impact player category but he appears to be the only one.
You can talk all day about gaudreau, jankowski, reinheart ect, but until they make it to the nhl and start contributing, It's to early to give feaster credit for improving the flames drafting.
The drafting philosophy has changed, and in my opinion, it's a good thing. The jury is still out though to see if it pays off in the long run.
The funny thing about a lot of GMs, is that their success and failure isn't often apparent until they are gone. It's like politics. There is usually some lag and the successors either get the credit or the disdain based on the actions of the predecessor.
When the Flames were successful, Sutter was humble enough to put a lot of the credit on Coates.
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Then we would be all but guaranteed to get Monahan, and a possibility at Barkov if he slips one.
Im in the Monahan camp tho so I would be jacked.
As to the bold part, I don't think any trades like this will be made (switching draft positions) until it's time for that pick to be made, so that GM's can see what players are available and what players are gone.
For instance, the above trade might be on the back burner depending on who's available at #5, but if Barkov were to drop because, for example, Nashville picks Nichushkin, then Rutherford might tell Jay it's a no-go because he wants to take Barkov at #5.
However, if everything goes as predicted, and Barkov goes at #4, and Carolina has no interest in Nichushkin and would be happy with either Lindholm or Monahan, and Jay really wants one of those two specifically (Monahan for instance), then Ruther ford would probably gladly take a 3rd round pick in order to drop one spot and pick Lindholm at #6.
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Best case scenario would be to move one of the lower firsts for two seconds, then use one of the seconds to move up into the top 5. Hey, a guy can dream, right?
Then we would be all but guaranteed to get Monahan, and a possibility at Barkov if he slips one.
Im in the Monahan camp tho so I would be jacked.
I think the oilers would offer more than a third to move from 7th to 5th so we would at a minimum be bidding against them. In order for the Canes to consider such a minimal return they would either need to be guaranteed to get who they want at 6 (meaning Flames won't take him), or they would have to be ambivalent about a number of guys on the board at 5.
I would hold onto the pick and take one of Monahan or Lindholm, sounds like it may be something of a crapshoot. I would avoid Nichuskin (sp). Must admit I have only seen a view videos, but he has the look of a highly skilled, physically elite player who has never really had to learn to function with teammates. Could be a great power winger, but will likely only flourish for moments at a time.
Clearly speculation at this point of course, but I would like to see something like:
6th pick - Monahan, Lindholm
22nd - Rychel/ or best D available
28th - Best D on board if Rychel selected, otherwise Klimchuk/Hartman
3rd round - Nick Baptiste (looks like developing power winger with serious speed)
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