I might be able to accept that if we found out his mental illness was caused by a brain tumour; and that tumour was surgically removed. As it stands right now he is "getting better" because his medication is strictly monitored.
I seem to recall that he had been placed on medication once before, and then went off his meds before getting on that bus.
I'm sure many people with mental illnesses can become productive members of society. However this guy has proven that he cannot be trusted, and the interests of public safety outweigh his "rights." (IMHO)
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I might be able to accept that if we found out his mental illness was caused by a brain tumour; and that tumour was surgically removed. As it stands right now he is "getting better" because his medication is strictly monitored.
I seem to recall that he had been placed on medication once before, and then went off his meds before getting on that bus.
I'm sure many people with mental illnesses can become productive members of society. However this guy has proven that he cannot be trusted, and the interests of public safety outweigh his "rights." (IMHO)
Exactly. I find a lot of times people forget the social contract that we are citizens have with our government. In many cases public safety should be put ahead of an individuals rights. However where the liberal minded get concerned is where is that line?
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Exactly. I find a lot of times people forget the social contract that we are citizens have with our government. In many cases public safety should be put ahead of an individuals rights. However where the liberal minded get concerned is where is that line?
The logical thing,which many would find draconian, would be mandatory periodic blood tests of released offenders of this type to confirm they are taking their anti-psychotic meds. Under current laws, I don't think people can be compelled to take medication. In this case, the man was found not criminally responsible. Hence, not even a criminal record, as far as I know.
All those people who thanked Locke's idiotic post really have no class. The guy died. What if that was your son, your brother, your friend?? Would you like it if a bunch of internet losers like you are making fun of your loved one who was brutally murdered in ways people can't even imagine.
Grow up people.
Come on fortze, show some more class, thank this post, then more classless punks can laugh at your thanking of my post.
Jesus.
I had a relative that was brutally murdered.
I still lol'd.
(Sorry Ken - replied to that before I got to the last page)
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Here's a really great short film on Schizophrenia called INSiDE. Well made and quite engaging.
The way I see it is that this guy is basically untreatable. He knew he had severe problems and was on medication, then he self diagnoses himself and decides he can stop taking his meds, resulting is one of the most shocking murders in modern Canadian history. He will always be a threat to the public if he is released. Even if he never commits another act of violence the threat is real.
Oh, and what's with the dog piling of VANFLAMESFAN, yeah he took offense and maybe he shouldn't have taken it personally, but that doesn't mean that we need 2 pages trying to goad him on. If it were some random jackass then fire away, but it's VANFLAMESFAN. He's a pretty valuable poster here. Lets try to keep him.
Haha, sorry, late to the party it seems, but man, many of my friends and family work for Greyhound, then and now, so if you think this is the first time a joke has been made in this regard....well, I dont quite know what you've got your head stuck in, but it probably aint the ground....
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All those people who thanked Locke's idiotic post really have no class. The guy died. What if that was your son, your brother, your friend?? Would you like it if a bunch of internet losers like you are making fun of your loved one who was brutally murdered in ways people can't even imagine.
Grow up people.
Come on fortze, show some more class, thank this post, then more classless punks can laugh at your thanking of my post.
Jesus.
Yeah fortze, show some class, and the rest of you classless punks as well. Can't you guys just stick to more classy topics like rasicm, and sexism.
(Sorry Ken - replied to that before I got to the last page)
I might be able to accept that if we found out his mental illness was caused by a brain tumour; and that tumour was surgically removed. As it stands right now he is "getting better" because his medication is strictly monitored.
I seem to recall that he had been placed on medication once before, and then went off his meds before getting on that bus.
I'm sure many people with mental illnesses can become productive members of society. However this guy has proven that he cannot be trusted, and the interests of public safety outweigh his "rights." (IMHO)
I may be the minority on this, but after a man chops off the head of another individual, and cannibalizes him in from of a crowd, that is the moment you should lose all freedoms in this life, and the next. I could care less if you are mentally incompetent, and listening to voices in your head, in my opinion, you have crossed the point of no return, and should be institutionalized for life. I was shocked one of the attending officers didn't end it then and there, with some nice hot lead, that would have been the best outcome.
I have had my bouts with depression along the way, and I know how debilitating mental illness can be. However, had I committed such a heinous act, even if it was involuntarily, I would find a way to rid the planet of myself, simply out of fear I would do the same again. The guy has lost his right to freedom, and in my opinion, the right to live. The guy obviously has a 'broken' brain, and the public should not be put at risk for him snapping again.
Fact: He chopped off a guys head, carried it around like a trophy, hell I think he even might have tasted some of the poor dudes flesh. sorry, as much as I feel bad for people with mental problems (clearly he has some) If I'm a family member of his victim...I would kill him without any remorse as I feel there's not a law in any land that should let this nutbar out....ever!
Fact: He chopped off a guys head, carried it around like a trophy, hell I think he even might have tasted some of the poor dudes flesh. sorry, as much as I feel bad for people with mental problems (clearly he has some) If I'm a family member of his victim...I would kill him without any remorse as I feel there's not a law in any land that should let this nutbar out....ever!
He did, the police radio call/radio transmission was available online for a while, and the officer says he was hacking pieces off the guy and eating them. The officer sounded like he was in total shock about what he was witnessing. I still for the life of me cannot understand why this guy wasn't shot dead in that bus. Had he got out there he very well could have done more damage.
from wikipedia:
On July 31, 2008, at 1:30 a.m., the suspect attempted to escape from the bus by breaking through a window. He was tasered twice, handcuffed and placed in the back of a police cruiser. Parts of the victim's body, placed in plastic bags, were retrieved from the bus, while his ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pockets. The victim's eyes and a part of his heart were never recovered and are presumed to have been eaten by the accused.
Honestly if I was the attending officer I would have done the same, only difference would be switching the word taser with shotgunned in face.
The logical thing,which many would find draconian, would be mandatory periodic blood tests of released offenders of this type to confirm they are taking their anti-psychotic meds. Under current laws, I don't think people can be compelled to take medication. In this case, the man was found not criminally responsible. Hence, not even a criminal record, as far as I know.
This is the only solution that does not have him locked up for life that I would even consider. Like you said, it probably can't happen so leave the guy locked up.
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Is the choice to release him only up to the doctors, or do they need to demonstrate to the courts that he is ready to be release and then a judge decides?
Is the choice to release him only up to the doctors, or do they need to demonstrate to the courts that he is ready to be release and then a judge decides?
I was wondering about that too. The article that Jetsfan posted had this at the end.
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Manitoba's Criminal Code review board will perform annual reviews of Li's mental health for however long he remains in the treatment centre. If he is ever released, it will be the board's decision.
The next review is set to take place some time before June 1, but de Delley said she has not yet been told of a date.
It doesn't say who the board is made up of, but it seems once they make their decision it would be final and it would not go to a judge. To be honest I am surprised the doctor from the article said anything about how long (or short) he would be in treatment. That doesn't seem like something that someone in a position to release patients should do. The article doesn't even say if he is on that board or has any influence. I think we really need an official statement from the health centre.
Besides just because he has the opportunity to be released doesn't mean he will. I know it's a different set of circumstances but Charles Manson is a well behaved prisoner and is eligible for parole every fives. So Charles Manson could walk out of prison at his next parole hearing, but everyone knows that he will die in prison. Now of course this case is different because he was not found criminally responsible.
True that. If that were a member of my family, rest assured some vigilante justice would be served.
He was judged not criminally responsible. The guy was obviously completely insane when he did this, yet you think that there would be some value in watching him suffer? That doesn't make any sense.
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