[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

One of their two 2nds and Mercer. Get'r done, Fitzo.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Great, then we will keep him until the agreement is expires. Nobody will trade for him next year when his stats falls badly because of the team in front of him.

I meant before the trade deadline. I have no idea how that changes come the offseason or what the ask will be then.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Great, then we will keep him until the agreement is expires. Nobody will trade for him next year when his stats falls badly because of the team in front of him.

His stats will be the same this summer as they are now and whatever happens in his next 15 or so games he plays.

Weird flex.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

I can go watch him play live literally tomorrow.

Ive watched him at least 20 times this year, live.
Is he a #1 dman? Not likely, but he is a damned fine player and will certainly help the Flames once he gets to the pros.

As far as the OHL sucking this year? Nah, level of play is still pretty high. Stop sniffing glue.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have said repeatedly that Markstrom won't move unless a team overpays, that is not it.

Read: he's not going anywhere. I don't see why we should expect overpayment when GMs are underpaying for other assets this deadline.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

His stats will be the same this summer as they are now and whatever happens in his next 15 or so games he plays.

Weird flex.

Agreed, I don't see the current market on #1 goalies falling given what will be available, Markstrom will still command a great return.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Read: he's not going anywhere. I don't see why we should expect overpayment when GMs are underpaying for other assets this deadline.

What other Vezina calibre goalies have moved this deadline? You don't really have a market to compare to this deadline, you are comparing apples to oranges.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Read: he's not going anywhere. I don't see why we should expect overpayment when GMs are underpaying for other assets this deadline.

because he isn't a UFA and doesn't have to be moved yet. Why accept underpayment if we don't have to move him?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Still think this can be done,

Markstrom (no retention) for Holtz and Mtl 3rd pick
Markstrom (50% retention) for Holtz, 2024 devils first, Mtl 3rd.

I tried to get creative with what I would do in this situation with the Devils. I think my starting point would be something like this:

Markstrom <=> Mercer + '24 3rd Cond. + '26 3rd Cond.

Conditions on the '24 3rd would be based on this season's outcomes and soften the gamble for Fitz. For example, if the Devils have a miracle stretch run and make the playoffs this season then the '24 3rd becomes a 1st in '24 or '25. Conditions on the '26 3rd would also become a 2nd or 1st depending on how the next 2 seasons go for the Devils.

If the Devils ask for retention, or to send Vanecek back, then add on Casey.

[VilleN]

To add, a vezina calibre goalie is a huge add for a team in the playoff hunt. IMO there really isn't a bigger impact player than that - if NJ had Markstrom calibre goaltending they would be firmly in a playoff spot and would have a very good chance of making some noise.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What other Vezina calibre goalies have moved this deadline? You don't really have a market to compare to this deadline, you are comparing apples to oranges.

Or any deadline???

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

because he isn't a UFA and doesn't have to be moved yet. Why accept underpayment if we don't have to move him?

I didn't say anything about accepting underpayment. Just that we're already seeing prices below market value, so expecting over market value today seems increasingly unlikely.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Agreed, I don't see the current market on #1 goalies falling given what will be available, Markstrom will still command a great return.

I pointed this out yesterday and thought more about it and, yeah, I would even argue the market might actually be better in the summer, primarily because Markstrom is a starting goaltender with term. That’s a very tough thing to fit in at the TDL, and for NJ specifically, I don’t see the fact that Markstrom can’t save this season to be a deterrent. Teams that want him will want him for the term, and two months doesn’t change that at all.

[868904]

If Conroy could’ve obtained a young centre from the UFAs, maybe he accepts a deal without Mercer.

Markstrom is the only asset that can get a young pro centre now. Conroy should hold out for Mercer.

If Marky is only worth a 1st round pick in the Summer, that’s fine. You rewarded a team that worked hard a chance to make the playoffs (they won’t); that has some value too in building the culture of your team, these things DO matter.

Flames have already done a good job of acquiring draft capital, losing out on one more is not going to kill the franchise. Holtz obviously isn’t that great a prospect as 3 teams don’t want him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Still think this can be done,

Markstrom (no retention) for Holtz and Mtl 3rd pick
Markstrom (50% retention) for Holtz, 2024 devils first, Mtl 3rd.

It appears the Flames do not want Holtz. I doubt a 3rd round pick makes him any more attractive.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I pointed this out yesterday and thought more about it and, yeah, I would even argue the market might actually be better in the summer, primarily because Markstrom is a starting goaltender with term. That’s a very tough thing to fit in at the TDL, and for NJ specifically, I don’t see the fact that Markstrom can’t save this season to be a deterrent. Teams that want him will want him for the term, and two months doesn’t change that at all.

I hope so and would be happy to be wrong.

With trade deadline brings desperation mode, and GMs do panicky things that inflate prices. Especially ones who've just fired a coach and appear to be taking some heat themselves.

I worry that without that variable, we go back to a sterile goalie trade market that, all of a sudden, has more teams looking to use goalies as trade chips. And the potential buying teams can take back some leverage by saying "we'll take a wait-and see" approach with what they have.

[InternationalVillager]

I don't think NJD is trading any forward prospects for Markstrom. They just traded away Toffoli.

If this deal gets done, I think it has to be done in the summer now. Sadly.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I hope so and would be happy to be wrong.

With trade deadline brings desperation mode, and GMs do panicky things that inflate prices. Especially ones who've just fired a coach and appear to be taking some heat themselves.

I worry that without that variable, we go back to a sterile goalie trade market that, all of a sudden, has more teams looking to use goalies as trade chips. And the potential buying teams can take back some leverage by saying "we'll take a wait-and see" approach with what they have.

I don’t think you’re wrong about the desperation play, but I don’t know if it entirely applies to Markstrom. A lot of those desperation moves are the extra pieces meant to put a team “over the top” and, chances are, teams that need a starting goaltending at this stage of the season realistically know they can’t really get to the playoffs, let alone push themselves over it.

LA would be an exception, I think. But there’s no rush on a trade with Jersey. They know they’re toast with or without him, but know it’s something they need to solve before October.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Wolven

I tried to get creative with what I would do in this situation with the Devils. I think my starting point would be something like this:

Markstrom <=> Mercer + '24 3rd Cond. + '26 3rd Cond.

Conditions on the '24 3rd would be based on this season's outcomes and soften the gamble for Fitz. For example, if the Devils have a miracle stretch run and make the playoffs this season then the '24 3rd becomes a 1st in '24 or '25. Conditions on the '26 3rd would also become a 2nd or 1st depending on how the next 2 seasons go for the Devils.

If the Devils ask for retention, or to send Vanecek back, then add on Casey.

Obviously don't want to muddy the waters with the retention issue again. But being NJ moved Toffoli would they have interest in a retained Mangi.

To NJ
Markstrom
Mangiapane (50% retained)

To CGY
Mercer
Casey
2024 2nd

or

Mercer
Holtz
2024 2nd

[Reggie Dunlop]

If the site crashes, I'll assume that a Markstrom deal happened.