[Rumour] Flames to name Conroy GM. Nonis in an executive role; Iginla advisor

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Muta

just draft the best person available - that value will come around in some way, shape or form.

Yes and no. Did we recoup some assets for Adam Fox? Yeah, sure. Did we get what we should or could have? No. Would we have kept him otherwise? Yah.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah imagine taking out 1/3 of the pool and drafting inferior players?

You're better off drafting an American who has said he won't play in Canada if he's better than the next choice. Better to have the asset and move it then consistently drafting lesser players and having less asset value.

It depends on how clear the difference is between two players you are contemplating at a draft spot. These choices are rarely obvious.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Yes and no. Did we recoup some assets for Adam Fox? Yeah, sure. Did we get what we should or could have? No. Would we have kept him otherwise? Yah.

We drafted the BPA at that spot, which was Fox - outstanding decision by the scouting staff. I'd rather have that Fox problem than not. How you leverage that asset into something else (if need be) is up to the skill of the GM.

[Ashasx]

Hoping this is the summer of positivity for the Flames. Smart, long-term moves.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

You can't ignore the facts - players want to play in the US more than they do in Canada. Better weather, more anonymity, better tax rates, larger markets, etc etc. The draw to these benefits would be higher for an American player with American citizenship.

If you draft an American, the probability of you ending up in a MT situation after a few short years is higher.

Ok lets do that and look at the facts.

Gaudreau was here for 9 years.

Tkachuk was here for 6 and returned a haul. Might have been here much longer with a different 2nd contract.

Fox was NY or nothing cause he wouldnt sign in Carolina either.

Not every American is the same like they are some stereotype.

I hear there are a couple Swedes that want out now too....maybe we should quit drafting Euros as well?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Teams that expect to win add depth pieces.

I think the issue was thinking he had a core in place to win, which was never the case.

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With Edwards and decision making ... I guess my hope is the Sutter extension, Treliving exodus and Sutter termination shed some light on what over stepping can create and he learns to have input but less overall control.

This would be a net positive if some degree of lessons were learned internally, but I would imagine that this is a reach given this is not a recent trend in terms of the Flames internal operations.

If Conroy is all for the approach and hiring a coach that is willing to give a 4th line like Ruzicka-Lewis/Zary-Duehr an honest shake, and not going after players like Rooney, Richardson at the end of the Summer, this would be a great sign moving forward. There's depth and there's signing broken down vets. Treliving was way too inclined to do the latter and it was not effective.

[iggy_oi]

IMO the flames playing hardball with Gaudreau and Tkachuk in the negotiations for their extensions coming out of their entry level deals probably had way more to do with them not re-signing after those deals were done than where they were born.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Yes and no. Did we recoup some assets for Adam Fox? Yeah, sure. Did we get what we should or could have? No. Would we have kept him otherwise? Yah.

Go look at that draft and tell me the Flames could have reasonably done better at #66. You have to move down 10 spots to even find a 100 game player - and it's Rem Pitlick. Who while Canadian, was also a US college player.

You could probably count meaningful NHLers picked after FOx on one hand. Bratt, Mete, Hagel, are the only sort of notable ones.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

It depends on how clear the difference is between two players you are contemplating at a draft spot. These choices are rarely obvious.

Each team has a ranking.

Sure there may be a razor wire differential between three players and you take the one you think you can keep if that's the case.

But if there's a gap at all you take the best player.

Fox staying was ideal. But Fox as an asset had more value than the likely next guy on the list.

In his draft the next 6 players selected have played 38 combined games.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1661028661896806403

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

IMO the flames playing hardball with Gaudreau and Tkachuk in the negotiations for their extensions coming out of their entry level deals probably had way more to do with them not re-signing after those deals were done than where they were born.

I think people fail to recognize the impact of Monahan's injuries and the current look of the team. With a healthy Monahan, would Gaudreau have even left?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1661028661896806403

Thanks. I was just about to ask about this!

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I think people fail to recognize the impact of Monahan's injuries and the current look of the team. With a healthy Monahan, would Gaudreau have even left?

From a cap perspective it would have been pretty hard to keep all 3 of them if Monahan would have been healthy.

[CroFlames]

I'm happy Iggy is being brought in to learn the ropes a bit of a professional club.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by transplant99

New GM is American...hopefully he takes BPA regardless of birth certificates (Russians aside for obvious reasons).

American? He totally wants out.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Ok lets do that and look at the facts.

Gaudreau was here for 9 years.

Tkachuk was here for 6 and returned a haul. Might have been here much longer with a different 2nd contract.

Fox was NY or nothing cause he wouldnt sign in Carolina either.

Not every American is the same like they are some stereotype.

I hear there are a couple Swedes that want out now too....maybe we should quit drafting Euros as well?

Sutter was on to something with his 'big western Canadian boys'

[blankall]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Yes and no. Did we recoup some assets for Adam Fox? Yeah, sure. Did we get what we should or could have? No. Would we have kept him otherwise? Yah.

Recoup? Fox was a third round pick. If adding Fox to the package, in any way, encouraged the Canes to give up both Lindholm and Hanifin for a disgruntled destined to be UFA Dougie and a broken down Ferland, then the Flames came out way ahead.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by blankall

Recoup? Fox was a third round pick. If adding Fox to the package, in any way, encouraged the Canes to give up both Lindholm and Hanifin for a disgruntled destined to be UFA Dougie and a broken down Ferland, then the Flames came out way ahead.

It's been stated that the Flames wanted to keep Fox and trade him separately but the Canes insisted on him.
So he clearly had value in the deal.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Ok lets do that and look at the facts.

Gaudreau was here for 9 years.

Tkachuk was here for 6 and returned a haul. Might have been here much longer with a different 2nd contract.

Fox was NY or nothing cause he wouldnt sign in Carolina either.

Not every American is the same like they are some stereotype.

I hear there are a couple Swedes that want out now too....maybe we should quit drafting Euros as well?

Come on now, BoLevi definitely has a valid point.

Gaudreau, Tkachuk, anybody that gets traded here (Hanifin)... they are not here by choice. They are here because they are restricted FA and have far less control on outcomes or because their contract got traded here.

To flip the script here, outside of Coleman, who Calgary arguably overpaid in free agency, which Americans are UFAs signing long-term contracts to stay in Canada?

Let's not pretend Calgary is a destination city because we have guys that we drafted agree to stay when they were in RFA status. Hell, Tkachuk still had a year to go and was signaling to trade him.

IMO you go with best player available, which, if such player happens to be American you need to fully vet and understand what they're like. Their personality, upbringing, where / how they grew up, their parents / values, etc. You can probably get a good sense through that due diligence to know if a guy will stick in Calgary or not, and if you see any red flags you should monetize the asset. Coronato could be a good example where you trade a great prospect to get good futures in return by doing such an exercise. Beyond BPA, you should be preferentially selecting western Canadians IMO.

Europeans are a different game, they seem to be willing to play anywhere. It's Americans specifically that are an issue and especially with the stupid NCAA rule where you can get burned pretty badly. Russians have a similar "flakiness" factor.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Buff

American? He totally wants out.

Conroy is also & always has been Canadian.

His Dad is from Ontario and he played college hockey in upstate New York then stayed, where Craig grew up.