[LOL] Coyotes release their STH seating chart for their 5000 person arena

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Tempe could do much better for that chunk of land than an unstable NHL franchise, hopefully people there realize that.

There was an open request for proposal last year and the Coyotes were literally the only respondent.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Phoenix is acting on behalf of the airport, since they own it. They are not acting on behalf of the FAA, which has authority over the flight path.

From what I've read, Phoenix is acting to protect their interests in the Footprint Center as the Tempe arena would compete for other event bookings and are using the airport as an excuse to oppose the project.

I have heard this as well. But I believe they were successful in blocking previous developments this way.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I have heard this as well. But I believe they were successful in blocking previous developments this way.

Those developments were in Phoenix, no?

Phoenix doesn't have any ability to limit development in Tempe, AFAIK.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There was an open request for proposal last year and the Coyotes were literally the only respondent.

The RFP was specifically to develop the site into a mixed-use sports and entertainment district with a stadium/arena for a professional sports team.

I'm not sure how many responses they were expecting to receive.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by getbak

The RFP was specifically to develop the site into a mixed-use sports and entertainment district with a stadium/arena for a professional sports team.

I'm not sure how many responses they were expecting to receive.

Looking at the RFP document, this is true (I was somehow unaware of this) — although it makes you wonder why the city was so specific in its request to begin with.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

They're unstable because of the last move out of Phoenix to a friken retire home in Glendale, this proposed area is perfect, smack in the middle between Phoenix, Tempe and Scottsdale, and 5 minutes from the Phoenix airport.

Coyotes would have zero problems selling out a barn there.

Coyotes couldn't sell out a 5000 person arena, what makes you think they sell out a new barn? There were plenty of empty seats I could see in any of the home games I caught for the Coyotes this year.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Those developments were in Phoenix, no?

Phoenix doesn't have any ability to limit development in Tempe, AFAIK.

Yeah I don't get that, Arizona state university with Sundog stadium is 5 minutes from the site and right next door is large technology campus with a building higher than any stadium.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by JBR

It’s been sitting vacant for ages. Not like anyone is lining up to develop it.

Did you even read the article?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Coyotes couldn't sell out a 5000 person arena, what makes you think they sell out a new barn? There were plenty of empty seats I could see in any of the home games I caught for the Coyotes this year.

Expensive seats in a crappy little arena and a bad team, build it and they'll come.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Coyotes couldn't sell out a 5000 person arena, what makes you think they sell out a new barn? There were plenty of empty seats I could see in any of the home games I caught for the Coyotes this year.

They sold out every game, fwiw.

[jayswin]

I wonder if they distributed tickets to call games sellouts? Cause I watched a few on TV there where there was easily 800-1k empty seats the whole game.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I wonder if they distributed tickets to call games sellouts? Cause I watched a few on TV there where there was easily 800-1k empty seats the whole game.

I would bet there was some of that. Or corporate sponsors buying up blocks and then not even being able to give them away for free after.

Honestly though, I think Phoenix can be a good market. There is no reason why a place like Vegas, Miami, Tampa, or Nashville can thrive, but Phoenix can't. I also think a team there balances out the geography nicely, although I reckon that is a pretty superficial reason to make it work at all costs.

I just think that market has been mishandled for so long that there is an aura around the Coyotes now that makes it hard for fans to get behind. I almost wonder if it would be better to relocate that franchise somewhere, then give Arizona an expansion team in a few years when or if the new arena is built. Just give that market and fanbase a clean slate without all the baggage. If I was living there, I would probably have a hard time getting behind the team just because of all the constant negativity and uncertainty around them.

I get that there would be a lot of business stuff to work out, like relocation and expansion fees, but in theory, I think it would make sense.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Those developments were in Phoenix, no?

Phoenix doesn't have any ability to limit development in Tempe, AFAIK.

Their position is laid out in their lawsuit and is based on the airport and flight paths and a previous agreement between Tempe and Phoenix. The previous development they stopped was in Tempe also. From the AP:

"This is the second time that Phoenix has gone after a sports-related project of Tempe's based on airport issues.

In 2001, Tempe won a bid to be the new home of the Arizona Cardinals, who wanted their own stadium instead of using Arizona State University's Sun Devil stadium. But construction never started after the Federal Aviation Administration said the stadium would create a flight-navigation danger with its height.

Similar to today, the city of Phoenix threatened to go to court to get a temporary restraining order to stop Tempe from building the $335 million stadium, just a couple miles east of the airport's north runway.

Tempe ceded the stadium bid when it became clear construction could lead to lawsuits."

I guess we'll see what happens.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Their position is laid out in their lawsuit and is based on the airport and flight paths and a previous agreement between Tempe and Phoenix. The previous development they stopped was in Tempe also. From the AP:

"This is the second time that Phoenix has gone after a sports-related project of Tempe's based on airport issues.

In 2001, Tempe won a bid to be the new home of the Arizona Cardinals, who wanted their own stadium instead of using Arizona State University's Sun Devil stadium. But construction never started after the Federal Aviation Administration said the stadium would create a flight-navigation danger with its height.

Similar to today, the city of Phoenix threatened to go to court to get a temporary restraining order to stop Tempe from building the $335 million stadium, just a couple miles east of the airport's north runway.

Tempe ceded the stadium bid when it became clear construction could lead to lawsuits."

I guess we'll see what happens.

It would be so Coyotes for them to win the vote but not be able to build the arena anyway.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Did you even read the article?

You mean the part that says "The Coyotes deal is the only offer Tempe has received in decades to buy the city-owned property, which is largely a landfill and will remain a multi-million-dollar liability so long as it stays on Tempe's books."?

Yes.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There was an open request for proposal last year and the Coyotes were literally the only respondent.

Keeping it as a landfill will probably be better than anything the Coyotes do with the land

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Their position is laid out in their lawsuit and is based on the airport and flight paths and a previous agreement between Tempe and Phoenix. The previous development they stopped was in Tempe also. From the AP:

"This is the second time that Phoenix has gone after a sports-related project of Tempe's based on airport issues.

In 2001, Tempe won a bid to be the new home of the Arizona Cardinals, who wanted their own stadium instead of using Arizona State University's Sun Devil stadium. But construction never started after the Federal Aviation Administration said the stadium would create a flight-navigation danger with its height.

Similar to today, the city of Phoenix threatened to go to court to get a temporary restraining order to stop Tempe from building the $335 million stadium, just a couple miles east of the airport's north runway.

Tempe ceded the stadium bid when it became clear construction could lead to lawsuits."

I guess we'll see what happens.

The new site doesn't line up with a runway though, if you line up with the center runway the new stadium would be out your right window and about 4k from touchdown.

Can't see them winning that argument.

[CroFlames]

So is the vote 7PM mountain time? Always messes me up since AZ doesn’t observe daylight savings.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

So is the vote 7PM mountain time? Always messes me up since AZ doesn’t observe daylight savings.

Mountain Standard Time, so an hour behind Calgary, same as Pacific Daylight Time.

The polls close at 8:00pm Calgary time. I don't know how long it will take for the results to start coming in.

[activeStick]

I read that the results might be in by 11pm eastern