[PGT] Annnnnd..... cut! Flames allow seven unanswered, lose 7-3. Season over.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I have seen the quick pull and replace used a million times in hockey its not like it's something new. Its like a free timeout, that is the theory anyway

Still a terrible idea with a guy who hasn't played a real game in months but its not unprecedented

Keenan did the same thing with Kipper in game 7 vs. SJ

[8sPOT]

Ward pulling Talbot seemed like he was trying to tell his team to be a lot better and buckle down. Which is nice and all, but as a head coach that is your ####ing job. Dont play games, communicate. Instruct, motivate, threaten, encourage, I dont care. But you need to communicate with your team. He does not seem to very good at communicating, either that or he doesn't really know what he's doing.

At the very least he's gone. So thats a win.

[dino7c]

The Flames had allowed 1 high danger scoring chance when Talbot was pulled...not sure how much more buckled down they could have been

you can't prevent every shot

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I have seen the quick pull and replace used a million times in hockey its not like it's something new. Its like a free timeout, that is the theory anyway

Still a terrible idea with a guy who hasn't played a real game in months but its not unprecedented

Keenan did the same thing with Kipper in game 7 vs. SJ

Yeah, it’s dumb.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

Ward pulling Talbot seemed like he was trying to tell his team to be a lot better and buckle down. Which is nice and all, but as a head coach that is your ####ing job. Dont play games, communicate. Instruct, motivate, threaten, encourage, I dont care. But you need to communicate with your team. He does not seem to very good at communicating, either that or he doesn't really know what he's doing.

At the very least he's gone. So thats a win.

Yea cause I'm sure he's made it this far in NHL coaching because he's not very good at communicating

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yeah, it’s dumb.

Agreed, I mean the game was still tied they just got a couple bounces

[browna]

And that's a move Ward would make, maybe, if he didn't have a timeout. Khoudobin's first three goals were worse than anything Talbot gave up, but Bowness didn't pull him, he called a team timeout.

Flat out, I still convinced Ward screwed that one big time and is covering his tracks. I haven't seen that move in long time, maybe since that Game 7 SJ, and given how many times Rittich had been pulled this year, it's not something Ward used before. Also, Talbot was back on the bench long before the end of the second (and I think before the 6th goal) if Ward wanted to put him back in as part of a "quick pull". And again, he had a timeout.

The players certainly didnt see it as a quick pull and out back in scenario, based on their comments post game, either.
While Rittich gets some leeway, not much. He's a pro and needs to be prepared. He played half a game albeit 3 weeks ago, but had zero confidence with any shot that came his way, and the entire team changed their style to prevent picks from going through.

Thank goodness Talbot wasn't hurt at all in the playoffs because if the Flames were up 6-0 or more, the level of play Rittich showed could've had that lead more then surmountable.

[Flash Walken]

Agree with browna, Ward looked like he lost his composure on the bench.

I think Ward wanted Talbot back in there after it was clear on the first two shots that Rittich didn't have it in him to save the day.

Concern should be now is did this damage the relationship between the organization and their goalies. Rittich thrown into the fire, and talbot embarrassed and not given the opportunity to redeem himself.

Khudobin looked really bad on those first 3 goals but he battled back and made some exceptional saves later in the game.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Azure

Might not be the best, but we're not far off.

Hanifin, Brodie, & Anderson had a good playoffs.

Valimaki, Kylington both with high upside.

Decent depth.

Giordano has shown he can be exposed. He's a great person, and great in the community, but as the captain he has to be responsible for the lack of leadership and team falling apart.

The D core looks very good for the future.

It is a good group of defensemen. But they were second best out of 2 this series.

And the guy that played the best is likely gone.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Including the 5 wins or?

Yes. Except maybe one or two wins against Winnipeg, they were still full of moments that made me feel exactly like that.

I really don’t think they played a single good full game agains the Stars, despite being 10 seconds from a 3-1 lead. It was ugly to watch.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by browna

And that's a move Ward would make, maybe, if he didn't have a timeout. Khoudobin's first three goals were worse than anything Talbot gave up, but Bowness didn't pull him, he called a team timeout.

Flat out, I still convinced Ward screwed that one big time and is covering his tracks. I haven't seen that move in long time, maybe since that Game 7 SJ, and given how many times Rittich had been pulled this year, it's not something Ward used before. Also, Talbot was back on the bench long before the end of the second (and I think before the 6th goal) if Ward wanted to put him back in as part of a "quick pull". And again, he had a timeout.

The players certainly didnt see it as a quick pull and out back in scenario, based on their comments post game, either.
While Rittich gets some leeway, not much. He's a pro and needs to be prepared. He played half a game albeit 3 weeks ago, but had zero confidence with any shot that came his way, and the entire team changed their style to prevent picks from going through.

Thank goodness Talbot wasn't hurt at all in the playoffs because if the Flames were up 6-0 or more, the level of play Rittich showed could've had that lead more then surmountable.

I feel like you’re downplaying just how bad Talbot was in Game 6. He was every bit as bad as Ritter was.

[agulati]

I still think what if one of those Gaudreau wrap around me had gone in when we were up by 3-0. But there are so many what ifs from this series. Lack of mental fortitude. Sucks. The players keep and kept mentioning how close this group is and appeared to be a team this year, but just missed the mojo.

[JohnnyB]

Talbot was amazing in the series when the skaters weren't showing up. When the skaters showed up facing elimination, both goalies shat the bed.

This series came down to the Flames best skaters not showing up early in the series, a missed clearance with 12 seconds to go and one game of abysmal goaltending. They were better than last year, but the playoffs don't really allow teams to have key players taking nights off and still find success. The playoffs really demand 100% of what a team and players have to give, otherwise you're headed home.

[Mathgod]

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Here is where things get to be a huge problem for the Flames:



They have drafted only 1 Dman in the last 3 years and Pelletier is the only 1st or 2nd round pick used on a Forward over the same time frame.



with 15 (!) UFAs on the roster this offseason not having been moved for any picks and further picks out the door for Forbort and Gustafsson, the flames asset ledger is arguably worse than it was when Feaster took over.



Detroit has drafted 18 times in the top 3 rounds in the last 3 years.



Who will win a round first do you think?

Hmm. You asked the question, and I'm just answering, but between Detroit and Calgary, I'd say the Flames will win their first playoff round. And even though I want some significant changes this offseason, such as a retool around Tkachuk, Lindholm, Dube and Andersson, if that doesn't happen, I'd still think the Flames win a round first.