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MrMike · 08-21-2020, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You're right, at this point we have so many great options and ways to acquire a number 1 center that it would be foolish to make the best center we had in the playoffs our number one, giving him a long-term chance to not only play at the position he excels at, but play with quality linemates.

That would just be a terrible idea, you know, given how well everything else has gone.

Put him in the number 2 center spot with decent line mates and just leave him there.

Have Backlund and Bennett have the top one/two center spots, trade Monahan/Gaudreau and make sure you get a center prospect back

Burning Beard · 08-21-2020, 10:44 AM

This team needs an identity besides soft chokers.

The media is already treating us like the bad guys so why not embrace it. We have one of the leagues best agitators so let's bring in a few more agitators and big forwards who won't skate away from scrums (cough Monahan cough) and rally behind being the bad guys.

Even if we aren't winning all the time at least be a hard team to play against who teams dread facing as they know they will be feeling a bit sore after.

It's gotta be better than the last few years of choking and being soft.

Coach · 08-21-2020, 10:44 AM

Man that Tkachuk GIF pretty much sums up my feeling during/after most games since the restart.

MrMike · 08-21-2020, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jg13

Sam Bennett can't play the exact role he played in the playoffs during an 82 game regular season.

Sam Bennetts success in the playoffs was partially because his matchups were significantly easier than the top lines. This changes once he's moved to #1C

Sam Bennett has never exceeded 18 goals in a full season.

Sam Bennett as your #1C is your ticket to the draft lottery but maybe that's the goal depending on what moves Treliving makes this summer.

Combine that with running a goalie tandem of Rittich/Gillies and hello Lottery pick

ComixZone · 08-21-2020, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMike

Combine that with running a goalie tandem of Rittich/Gillies and hello Lottery pick

Giddy up. Let's do it!

PepsiFree · 08-21-2020, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jg13

Sam Bennett can't play the exact role he played in the playoffs during an 82 game regular season.

Sam Bennetts success in the playoffs was partially because his matchups were significantly easier than the top lines. This changes once he's moved to #1C

Sam Bennett has never exceeded 18 goals in a full season.

Sam Bennett as your #1C is your ticket to the draft lottery but maybe that's the goal depending on what moves Treliving makes this summer.

I'll take a draft lottery with players who are fun to watch vs a bubble team with players who vanish when the going gets tough.

Maybe it turns out better than that, great. If not, again, what exactly are we worried about here? The Flames not being a contender? Uh... news flash.

dissentowner · 08-21-2020, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jg13

Sam Bennett can't play the exact role he played in the playoffs during an 82 game regular season.

Sam Bennetts success in the playoffs was partially because his matchups were significantly easier than the top lines. This changes once he's moved to #1C

Sam Bennett has never exceeded 18 goals in a full season.

Sam Bennett as your #1C is your ticket to the draft lottery but maybe that's the goal depending on what moves Treliving makes this summer.

This is just blatantly false. His matchups were almost always against the Stars top two lines.

blankall · 08-21-2020, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Might not be the best, but we're not far off.

Hanifin, Brodie, & Anderson had a good playoffs.

Valimaki, Kylington both with high upside.

Decent depth.

Giordano has shown he can be exposed. He's a great person, and great in the community, but as the captain he has to be responsible for the lack of leadership and team falling apart.

The D core looks very good for the future.

As much as I hate to say it, I was not impressed with Gio in these playoffs. He didn't pull the team together, and his own play was often questionable. He also took a number of bonehead penalties at very bad times.

As stated, I agree the Flames have a solid group of young D-men. Really hoping that Valimaki can be the difference maker.

bizaro86 · 08-21-2020, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

All questions are now answered. Time for changes.

Were the answers in the room?

agulati · 08-21-2020, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bizaro86

Were the answers in the room?

Yes. But maybe not the answers we hoped for.

Joborule · 08-21-2020, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMike

Put him in the number 2 center spot with decent line mates and just leave him there.

Have Backlund and Bennett have the top one/two center spots, trade Monahan/Gaudreau and make sure you get a center prospect back

I think if you do move Gaudreau and Monahan, you should be trading Backlund as well then. At that point, you're not committed to winning a cup for the next season or two, so you're looking to retool/rebuild with the assets that are brought it, and possibly through Free Agency if a player in their prime (or about to enter) becomes available in a spot of team need.

Trading Backlund, along with Gaudreau and Monahan, should be a good haul in picks, prospects, and perhaps some middle line forward or defenseman with age on their side still. If that's done, and you keep Bennett and Lindholm (which I believe should be kept), then those two may be your centres for the top 6 in the meantime if there isn't better centres on the roster.

There is also Dube also who's actual position is centre. So depending on lineup combinations, it may be possible you do see a Tkachuk-Bennett-Lindholm first line, with Dube and Mangiapane on the second line with another winger. Since it would be a retooling/rebuilding season, it doesn't hurt to see if there's actually positive results from that combination. I think that line would have good chemistry since it's got a lot of physicality, enough speed, and offensive skill to be effective.

dino7c · 08-21-2020, 01:13 PM

The problem with not playing a good game until game six (game one was decent) is you set yourself up to lose by bounces or bad goal tending #### happens

Flames dominated every metric in game six but its a fine line

If they controlled the play like that for the majority of the series they would have won easily.

ComixZone · 08-21-2020, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

The problem with not playing a good game until game six (game one was decent) is you set yourself up to lose by bounces or bad goal tending #### happens

Flames dominated every metric in game six but its a fine line

If they controlled the play like that for the majority of the series they would have won easily.

After the game 5 loss, someone on here predicted the flames would play their best game of the series but would be undone by goaltending.

Nailed it perfectly, they did.

djsFlames · 08-21-2020, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Man that Tkachuk GIF pretty much sums up my feeling during/after most games since the restart.

Including the 5 wins or?

flamesgod · 08-21-2020, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dustygoon

Derek Wills just said he thinks the D and forwards had their best game of the series? Did I catch that?

That’s because they did.

djsFlames · 08-21-2020, 01:20 PM

Man.. great points on 960 right now.

Should've called the time out at 3-3, pulled Talbot aside but put him back in and rode it out with your MVP.

The equipment issue was likely Talbot getting upset and shedding his equipment because he thought he was done for the night.

Ward didn't tell him about his intention to put him back in, if that was the case at all.

dino7c · 08-21-2020, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'm afraid that Hughes, Heiskanen and Makar will be terrorizing the Flames for a LONG time.

Maybe our answer is Andersson? He's certainly top pairing, but he's not a star like those three are. Not yet anyway.

The D is the least of the Flames problems IMO...those guys will be making 10+M. Calgary will hopefully build a very good top 6

Not saying I would want one of them but they don't grow on trees...even if you draft dmen high there are tons of busts at that position

Scroopy Noopers · 08-21-2020, 01:26 PM

I have been pulled by a coach in a similar situation before. I couldn’t believe it. Down to the deflection goal sealing it. Then the coach comes over to me a couple minutes later and tells me to chill, he’s just giving me a break. Stupidest ####ing thing I’ve ever heard. Players shocked at the pull... I was rattled the rest of the game. What a stupid strategy.

Strange Brew · 08-21-2020, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I have been pulled by a coach in a similar situation before. I couldn’t believe it. Down to the deflection goal sealing it. Then the coach comes over to me a couple minutes later and tells me to chill, he’s just giving me a break. Stupidest ####ing thing I’ve ever heard. Players shocked at the pull... I was rattled the rest of the game. What a stupid strategy.

Interesting.

Is there anything in the rule book that allows the coach to stop the game, talk to their players and calm them down?

I believe there is but will work to confirm.

dino7c · 08-21-2020, 01:35 PM

I have seen the quick pull and replace used a million times in hockey its not like it's something new. Its like a free timeout, that is the theory anyway

Still a terrible idea with a guy who hasn't played a real game in months but its not unprecedented

Keenan did the same thing with Kipper in game 7 vs. SJ