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Cleveland Steam Whistle · 03-04-2017, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman

It might explain the sudden rush to introduce the idea of a new arena? It certainly wouldn't hurt having the process started... Even if it was completely miss-managed.

Do you work for the Flames?

monkeyman · 03-04-2017, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Do you work for the Flames?

It's absolutely baseless speculation on my part. Even to say I was speculating is too strong a word, I was just pulling a thread started by someone else.

Alberta_Beef · 03-04-2017, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by socalwingfan

I think what Burke meant by that statement, is that Treliving is no more a lame duck GM than a GM with a year left on their contract. Even is you have another year, doesn't mean you will be back

This is the logical explanation. Thank you for actually thinking before you post, unlike some of the other crap in here.

CaptainYooh · 03-04-2017, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

Maybe the team is going to be sold? The owner has moved to London and maybe will have different interests.

From what was rumoured around, Flames were in financial trouble in the late 90's-early 2000's. Right about that time, on Harley Hotchkiss' pitch, Ken King was hired away from Walton. King's main task was to "recruit" new shareholders from the Calgary business elite that would be committed to keep the team in Calgary. Hotchkiss was a big believer in an NHL team being a community asset and he made this commitment a condition of accepting new shareholders into the group.

sureLoss · 03-07-2017, 05:45 AM

Burke will be on 960 around 8 am.

Molberg says he is going to ask him about Treliving's contract on air (or at least going to try and work up the courage to ask him)

sureLoss · 03-07-2017, 08:14 AM

Burke on 960:

historically the Calgary Flames don't negotiate new management contracts until they are near the end of the contract (Treliving's contract expires June 30)
same thing happened to Burke in Vancouver, his contract expired on June 30th, higher ups said told Burke that they would start negotiating in June.

Street Pharmacist · 03-07-2017, 08:40 AM

That's bunk. Wasn't true for Sutter and I don't think any other managers were renewed

tkflames · 03-07-2017, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

That's bunk. Wasn't true for Sutter and I don't think any other managers were renewed

This might be a front office rule. There are lots of front office staff on the Flames. We only hear about the GM.

PeteMoss · 03-07-2017, 08:47 AM

Its dangerous now too. Back in the days, teams wouldn't look at coaches and GMs as free agents. They will now.

Table 5 · 03-07-2017, 08:53 AM

I don't think that's really a great strategy to keep top-end people. Quality people at that level need security beyond a month, and if they don't get it, they start planning for something elsewhere.

Flash Walken · 03-07-2017, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

I don't think that's really a great strategy to keep top-end people. Quality people at that level need security beyond a month, and if they don't get it, they start planning for something elsewhere.

This seems like a management strategy from 30 years ago.

Robbob · 03-07-2017, 08:56 AM

I don't think it is anything to worry about. It isn't like a players contract. This will get done over lunch in June.

Street Pharmacist · 03-07-2017, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tkflames

This might be a front office rule. There are lots of front office staff on the Flames. We only hear about the GM.

It's made up. What would be the reasoning behind a move like that?

Redlan · 03-07-2017, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

I don't think that's really a great strategy to keep top-end people. Quality people at that level need security beyond a month, and if they don't get it, they start planning for something elsewhere.

Quality people need no such security, they know their value and a new opportunity will present itself. Fringe people need the security.

Table 5 · 03-07-2017, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlan

Quality people need no such security, they know their value and a new opportunity will present itself. Fringe people need the security.

I may have phrased it wrong, but thats my point. They're not going to be dicked around and wait around for some last minute offer that may or may not come.

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This seems like a management strategy from 30 years ago.

Well this is a company that negotiates contracts on horseback.

Jay Random · 03-07-2017, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

I may have phrased it wrong, but thats my point. They're not going to be dicked around and wait around for some last minute offer that may or may not come.

Yeah, because it's so easy to just jump ship and take one of the dozens of other NHL GM jobs that are available at any given moment.

Table 5 · 03-07-2017, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah, because it's so easy to just jump ship and take one of the dozens of other NHL GM jobs that are available at any given moment.

Treliving is not exactly Jay Feaster. On the Flames or not, the guy would not be without a significant hockey role for long.

Jore · 03-07-2017, 09:17 AM

i'm usually the first to worry about management decisions, but i think this will be ok. darryl sutter (albeit as coach) also didn't get a contract extension last summer until his contract ended

Jay Random · 03-07-2017, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

Treliving is not exactly Jay Feaster. On the Flames or not, the guy would not be without a significant hockey role for long.

So he's going to walk out on his job as GM and accept a lower-ranking, lower-paying job from another team before his contract is up?

Flash Walken · 03-07-2017, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlan

Quality people need no such security, they know their value and a new opportunity will present itself. Fringe people need the security.

Boy, I do not agree with this at all.

Elite talent is able to negotiate security because their elite talent dictates you'll be unable to easily find a replacement.

When you have elite talent that are giving you a competitive advantage it behooves you to make life easy for them to devote 100% of their efforts for your cause rather than splitting time looking at the next professional landmark they hope to achieve somewhere else.

Devoted employees are more productive than those putting in time, and not renewing a contract for the team's general manager ostensibly puts him in the position to be contemplating life somewhere else. It is far, far easier to retain elite talent than it is to attract or attain it in the first place.

If the guy is any kind of competent manager he already has a decent exit strategy. By not renewing him the Flames organization is facing two likely scenarios:

Re-signing him will not be as cheap when he is a free agent as it would've been in say November of this year. If the Flames are able to make noise in the playoffs it will definitely have earned Treliving a bigger slice of pie.

Treliving waits them out until he is free to negotiate league wide which puts him in the running for a variety of GM positions around the league as I believe he is an elite managing talent and would be in high demand.

There really is no arguable reason I can come up with not to have negotiated an extension to be in place months ago unless the Flames think they can get a better candidate which would not surprise me.

Hubris has long plagued this organization. You would think by now they would have learned their lesson but history is obviously not a strong suit for Flames ownership.