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Street Pharmacist · 02-13-2015, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Cheechoo?

Marty St Louis, but you get the point. They're exceptions, not the rule. There's maybe 2-5 players who hit 40 in a year. Is Evander Kane a top 5 scorer in the league? Not a chance

Crumpy-Gunt · 02-13-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

When is Kane gonna score these 40 goals?

More importantly. Would you eat a turd of poop on camera if he did ever manage to score 40 on the wing either of Eichel / Reinhart / McDavid?

I can see it happening. I wouldnt bet on it. Some people seem so down on Kane. His attitude, his ability or potential ability - everything seems so negative on here.. Between the tracksuit incident thread and this one it makes me scratch my head.

Come on he couldn't have screwed all your girlfriends. What is it?

Isnt this the guy who knocked out Matt Cooke in one punch!?!

All jokes aside - I dont get the Kane hate.
Sure he has a lot to prove and can come across as a bit egotistical and immature but I think most of it is unfair. He is a good young player with a lot of maturing to do on the ice and off it. But I can see him doing good. Not seguin-good but I can see him carving out a decent enough career in Buffalo. Probably never 40 goals - but is it THAT hard to imagine? OR has everyone just fallen in hate with him since the vegas picture of him with cash on his back doing push ups?

The NHL and its judgemental fans need to embrace different types of characters like they do in soccer, football basketball and most other sports. I know its a game of character and all that but this sport needs people like Kane to grow and appeal to more people.

I wouldnt call it racism because that would be too easy. But it makes me wonder why this game hates flamboyant slightly cocky players. I'd hate to play against them - but everyone loves supporting a player like that if they are on your team. Look at PK in MTL he is loved by the city

/rant

united · 02-13-2015, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Lol? He hasn't hit 30 and he's basically 24. Name me the last 40 goal scorer that had only beat 20 once by 24. Hint: you'll be looking a long time

Joe Pavelski in 2013-14?

Other quick notables:
Daniel Sedin, 2010-11
Henrik Zetterberg, 2007-08
Brad Boyes, 2007-08
Martin St. Louis, 2006-07 (as you mentioned)
Jason Blake, 2006-07
Brian Gionta, 2005-06
Todd Bertuzzi, 2002-03
Patrick Elias, 2000-01

The Fonz · 02-13-2015, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Lol? He hasn't hit 30 and he's basically 24. Name me the last 40 goal scorer that had only beat 20 once by 24. Hint: you'll be looking a long time

Not saying I believe he'll hit 40, but the above is stat cherry picking at it's finest.

His goals/game, pro-rated over an 82 game schedule, have been:

19 y/o season: 21
20 y/o season: 33
21 y/o season: 29
22 y/o season: 25
23 y/o season (current): 22

If there's anything holding him back, it's injuries. There's no denying he's already got 30 goal talent if healthy. And he's 23, not basically 24... he just had his 23rd birthday a few weeks prior to this season's training camp.

EDIT: Also, he actually did score 30 in 2011/12, his 20 year old season. Monahan's age.

The Fonz · 02-13-2015, 02:54 PM

"Power-forward" goals/game at the conclusion of their 23 year old seasons...

Malkin - .475
Toews - .399
Staal - .378
Perry - .318
Iginla - .314
Benn - .312
Kane - .302
Getzlaf - .296
Marleau - .262
Pacioretty - .262
Lucic - .251
Carter - .249

Monahan @ 20 years old: .300

chedder · 02-13-2015, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

More importantly. Would you eat a turd of poop on camera if he did ever manage to score 40 on the wing either of Eichel / Reinhart / McDavid?

I can see it happening. I wouldnt bet on it. Some people seem so down on Kane. His attitude, his ability or potential ability - everything seems so negative on here.. Between the tracksuit incident thread and this one it makes me scratch my head.

Come on he couldn't have screwed all your girlfriends. What is it?

Isnt this the guy who knocked out Matt Cooke in one punch!?!

All jokes aside - I dont get the Kane hate.
Sure he has a lot to prove and can come across as a bit egotistical and immature but I think most of it is unfair. He is a good young player with a lot of maturing to do on the ice and off it. But I can see him doing good. Not seguin-good but I can see him carving out a decent enough career in Buffalo. Probably never 40 goals - but is it THAT hard to imagine? OR has everyone just fallen in hate with him since the vegas picture of him with cash on his back doing push ups?

The NHL and its judgemental fans need to embrace different types of characters like they do in soccer, football basketball and most other sports. I know its a game of character and all that but this sport needs people like Kane to grow and appeal to more people.

I wouldnt call it racism because that would be too easy. But it makes me wonder why this game hates flamboyant slightly cocky players. I'd hate to play against them - but everyone loves supporting a player like that if they are on your team. Look at PK in MTL he is loved by the city

/rant

Its not hating flamboyant cocky players. Its hating me first, dressing room wrecking players. And Kane has a long enough history of the latter. He hasn't proved much in this league yet besides what everybody already knows, that he has skill. Takes more than skill to be a winner.

Hackey · 02-13-2015, 03:19 PM

I don't know if he wrecked the dressing room. The Jets are doing pretty well this season. Wearing the wrong clothes to a meeting is obviously dumb but even if I was on the team that wouldn't affect me personally. I'd be like ya hes an idiot he will get dealt with and I'll worry about my game. It might be a bit irritating but I don't think his actions were ever directly affecting wins and losses. I'm sure action would have been taken long ago if that was the case. I think it's been blown out of proportion a bit.

Street Pharmacist · 02-13-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by united

Joe Pavelski in 2013-14?

Other quick notables:
Daniel Sedin, 2010-11
Henrik Zetterberg, 2007-08
Brad Boyes, 2007-08
Martin St. Louis, 2006-07 (as you mentioned)
Jason Blake, 2006-07
Brian Gionta, 2005-06
Todd Bertuzzi, 2002-03
Patrick Elias, 2000-01

Still, that's 2 in the last 6 seasons. And before anyone starts talking about pace, then I guess there's quite a few more 40 goal scorers out there too and we should redefine what a 40 goal scorer is. Injuries matter, especially at a young age. I'm not saying he's no good, I'm saying he's not a 40 goal scorer, or at least there's nothing about him that says he will be to me. A future 30 goal scorer? Could be, though he's tending the wrong way. That's a much better projection though.

Hackey · 02-13-2015, 04:01 PM

If we look how many players have had their first 40 goal season after the age of 23 there is probably a lot. Kane has already had a 30 goal season. To think he could hit 40 playing with an elite center is far from a bold statement. He's 23. We get it you don't like him, your entitled to your opinion. However I think most unbiased hockey fans would agree that 40 goals is by no means out of the question for Kane.

Geeoff · 02-13-2015, 04:09 PM

IMO it's more likely that Myers becomes a legit top 2 defenseman than it is that Kane becomes a 40 goal scorer. I think his 30 goal season might go down as his career high.

OutOfTheCube · 02-13-2015, 04:09 PM

People take the attitude of whatever they want to happen. If he was acquired by Calgary it would be "So much raw skill, next power forward, Hartley will turn him around, will look great with Monahan/Bennett" etc.

Geeoff · 02-13-2015, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

People take the attitude of whatever they want to happen. If he was acquired by Calgary it would be "So much raw skill, next power forward, Hartley will turn him around, will look great with Monahan/Bennett" etc.

Honestly, I'd be pissed if the Flames acquired him. Sure, I'd still cheer for him to play well but I don't like his attitude. Locker room issues are part of the reason the Flames had to rebuild in the first place.

I will give Kevin Cheveldayoff credit, he definitely handled the Jets locker room problems a lot better than Sutter did when he panic-traded Phaneuf and Feaster did when he traded Regehr.

Hackey · 02-13-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

People take the attitude of whatever they want to happen. If he was acquired by Calgary it would be "So much raw skill, next power forward, Hartley will turn him around, will look great with Monahan/Bennett" etc.

This is exactly it. Baertschi at 22 still has tons of potential to be a top 6 forward but a 23 year old who already has a 30 goal season in the NHL has already peaked.

MrMastodonFarm · 02-13-2015, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackey

This is exactly it. Baertschi at 22 still has tons of potential to be a top 6 forward but a 23 year old who already has a 30 goal season in the NHL has already peaked.

It seems the majority of this messageboard questions Baertschi's NHL potential on an almost weekly basis, don't know if you can get away with that little quip of a post.

Hackey · 02-13-2015, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It seems the majority of this messageboard questions Baertschi's NHL potential on an almost weekly basis, don't know if you can get away with that little quip of a post.

Where did Baertschi finsh in the prospect ranking pools on here a few months ago? Regardless you understand the point. If Kane was a Flame none of us would be saying his best days were behind him.

Crumpy-Gunt · 02-13-2015, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackey

This is exactly it. Baertschi at 22 still has tons of potential to be a top 6 forward but a 23 year old who already has a 30 goal season in the NHL has already peaked.

As stupid as it may seem thats the logic some fans have.

You are right Cube. Its what people hope happens. If he were on the flames people would be talking next Iggy and oh wow imagine him on Bennetts wing or Monahans wing.

Haters gon' irrationally hate.

Hackey · 02-13-2015, 04:44 PM

At least some people can view things unbiasedly. Apparently my "quip of a post" is just way out to lunch to some.

Crumpy-Gunt · 02-13-2015, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

Honestly, I'd be pissed if the Flames acquired him. Sure, I'd still cheer for him to play well but I don't like his attitude. Locker room issues are part of the reason the Flames had to rebuild in the first place.

I will give Kevin Cheveldayoff credit, he definitely handled the Jets locker room problems a lot better than Sutter did when he panic-traded Phaneuf and Feaster did when he traded Regehr.

Holy crap. You dont know his attitude.

Few soutions to this. Go meet Evander your self and find out what he is like / ask his friends / family / teammates etc.

Or have some humility and dont assume someone is exactly as you imagine they would be based off their reputation or a few rumors you read about him.

Im not saying the guy is an angel - I am not saying he is a cocky a-hole but I definitely wouldnt know. I wouldnt act like I know. Most of all I wouldnt make such stupid statements on the internet about a professional athlete i've never met and probably dont follow closely.

People love to hate. Even Cristiano Ronaldo, arguably the worlds greatest soccer player gets so much hate. People say he is cocky, egotistical, vain, self-absorbed etc

Even I used to hate Ronaldo. I thought he was over-confident and annoying. More obsessed with his hair and image than the sport. What made me stop judging pro athletes and people I've never met?

A young boy in south east asia survived a tsunami and his parents were both killed. He was found alive wearing the jersey of Ronaldo. So Cristiano flew out to see the kid, praise him for his stregth and pay to rebuild his home.

He also paid for a poor childs cancer treatments, gave blood to the survivors of spains train crash and a lot of other great things you wouldnt expect from a "cocky" superstar who earns 400,000$ per week.

Not to mention on a pre-season tour of the USA with Real Madrid a young fan ran onto the field to hug Cristiano and was later charged by the police. Ronaldo sent a personal letter to Miamis Dade county DA's office to have the charges dropped. The kid was going to lose his university scholarship, get a criminal record etc but in the end he was off the hook.

Im not saying Kane is as good of a person as Ronaldo but I learned a lesson not to judge celebs, or even normal people you dont know. You never know their intentions or who they really are.

White Out 403 · 02-13-2015, 04:58 PM

The difference between Ronaldo and Kane... Actually there's a few.

Ronaldo is not hated by his team mates.
He's also the best or 2nd best player in the world.

Not a great comparison imo.

Crumpy-Gunt · 02-13-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

The difference between Ronaldo and Kane... Actually there's a few.

Ronaldo is not hated by his team mates.
He's also the best or 2nd best player in the world.

Not a great comparison imo.

It wasnt a comparisson. One plays soccer and is the best at what he does if not then he is 2nd best, and the other plays hockey and he is a 23 year old who has has been inconsistent and has lot to prove. It was however an example of how I learned - in my life - to stop judging celebs I dont know and talking about them as if I've known them for years or went to high school with them.

How do you know Kane is hated by his team mates? Bold statement. Dont say he wore a tracksuit...that will prove how lame you are being.

I was going to get frustrated by your post - then I realized you are a Man Chitty fan.