American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Just a guy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Innocent until proven guilty is for court rooms. It's asinine to treat all of life like this.

So, guilty until proven innocent! Got it!

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Innocent until proven guilty is for court rooms. It's asinine to treat all of life like this.

Says the guy who kicks puppies and punches babies.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Matata

Cultural shifts happen in waves, little forward, little back. The inclusive crowd went a little far by trying to expose elementary kids to drag queens and encouraging them to change their gender. I think that was a key factor in coagulating the current push back.

The key factor was clearly the 13th amendment followed by the slow erosion of white America's position of absolute domination of any poor racial minorities that are supposed to live in the US for the sole purpose of making white peoples lives easier while always knowing their place.

The shocking increase in uppityness since the 1960's has clearly caused this backlash, abortion, gays and legal weed are all just going to be collateral damage to where this is actually going

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I’m absolutely sick of this inaccurate narrative. Dodge and RAM split in 2009 and they are now just called RAM 1500, 2500 etc, not Dodge Ram.

Stellantis RAM it is.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The key factor was clearly the 13th amendment followed by the slow erosion of white America's position of absolute domination of any poor racial minorities that are supposed to live in the US for the sole purpose of making white peoples lives easier while always knowing their place.

The shocking increase in uppityness since the 1960's has clearly caused this backlash, abortion, gays and legal weed are all just going to be collateral damage to where this is actually going

Man, and I thought my outlook was bleak.

I'm not entirely sure how morbidly facetious you're being but this has a non-zero chance of occurring.

[bob-loblaw]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549118405940109312

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by SebC

Says the guy who kicks puppies and punches babies.

Only the republican ones!

[GirlySports]

High risk strategy

https://twitter.com/user/status/1547970537275633670

[Fuzz]

WTF are the democrats even doing? What a stupid strategy. How about try not sucking?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

WTF are the democrats even doing? What a stupid strategy. How about try not sucking?

Winning elections by improving the material conditions for average Americans would probably piss off too many donors. Better try to squeeze as much life out of "orange man bad" as you can.

[timun]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I’m absolutely sick of this inaccurate narrative. Dodge and RAM split in 2009 and they are now just called RAM 1500, 2500 etc, not Dodge Ram.

Total aside, but that was dumb. It was always dumb, and it's still dumb. Now they've merged into Stellantis and the company has an absurd number of brands with a ton of overlap:

1. Chrysler
2. Dodge
3. "RAM" (Dodge trucks...)
4. Jeep
5. Fiat
6. "Fiat Professional" (Fiat trucks & vans)
7. Lancia
8. Alfa Romeo
9. Maserati
10. Peugeot
11. Citroën
12. DS ("fancy" Citroëns...)
13. Opel
14. Vauxhall

[photon]

Only 7 Republicans in the house voted for legislation to codify the right to birth control into law. What a world.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by photon

Only 7 Republicans in the house voted for legislation to codify the right to birth control into law. What a world.

I'm surprised it was even 7. I'm also glad that the Dems are passing it in the House and then get the senators on record for killing the bill.

In the end, abortion will be fought at state level. If the numbers are true that the majority of Americans, 70% plus even, support some form of abortion, 16 weeks, 20 weeks, 24 weeks, whatever, then they should be killing it in future state elections. Democrats currently lose more state governor, senate and house races than they win. But I'm not sure that number (the 70+%) is as high as people think or that's it's important enough to trump other Republican voter issues.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I'm surprised it was even 7. I'm also glad that the Dems are passing it in the House and then get the senators on record for killing the bill.

In the end, abortion will be fought at state level. If the numbers are true that the majority of Americans, 70% plus even, support some form of abortion, 16 weeks, 20 weeks, 24 weeks, whatever, then they should be killing it in future state elections. Democrats currently lose more state governor, senate and house races than they win. But I'm not sure that number (the 70+%) is as high as people think or that's it's important enough to trump other Republican voter issues.

Not with the way gerrymandering, the courts, etc., are currently set up in most GOP-controlled states.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Not with the way gerrymandering, the courts, etc., are currently set up in most GOP-controlled states.

Governor at least. That's not gerrymandered. Start there.
Or why does Vermont have a Republican governor?
Or even worse why does New Hampshire (a blue state!) have a Republican Governor, Senate and House? Sununu set a record in 2020 for the most votes received ever.

[photon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But I'm not sure that number (the 70+%) is as high as people think or that's it's important enough to trump other Republican voter issues tribalism.

I guess we'll see but I agree with rubecube I think all the other factors will override any shift in voting that results from overturning Roe. Maybe an enthusiasm gap will help (more people say they are more likely to vote if they disagree with the SCOTUS than if they agree).

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by photon

I guess we'll see but I agree with rubecube I think all the other factors will override any shift in voting that results from overturning Roe. Maybe an enthusiasm gap will help (more people say they are more likely to vote if they disagree with the SCOTUS than if they agree).

That's up to the Democrats, to create enthusiasm and outrage.

[activeStick]

There's plenty of outrage and enthusiasm, there always has been. Not enough tangible plans and actions. Outrage and enthusiasm is the Dems version of hopes and prayers.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

No idea how that orange piece of garbage isn't in jail for life.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550278470722359297

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

No idea how that orange piece of garbage isn't in jail for life.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550278470722359297

Part of me wants that to be a short, miserable life but part of me wishes he’d have a long, miserable life in prison.