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moon · 06-12-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Let's get back to bickering about who is better, Monahan, Lindholm or Barkov.

I think its hard to tell who is better out of the 3 and would be happy with any. I think this is something even Feaster and Co. shouldn't screw up.

Street Pharmacist · 06-12-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

I think its hard to tell who is better out of the 3 and would be happy with any. I think this is something even Feaster and Co. shouldn't screw up.

"With the sixth overall pick, the Calgary Flames select Curtis Lazar..."

Haha. Yeah. Honestly though, at our pick I don't think there's a mistake.

ignite09 · 06-12-2013, 04:56 PM

I still suspect we trade up to #4 and grab Barkov

Yanda · 06-12-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolven

Depends, if picking up ROR had resulted in us moving up the standings and securing a playoff spot and not trading away Iginla and Bouwmeester then I would rather we had gotten ROR. Of course at that point our draft pick would have been 14th Overall instead of 6 and it would not have been nearly so valuable.

Since we didn't get ROR and the rebuild started, I am glad we kept our draft pick (and acquired more).

Either way what you are proposing is a pretty narrow view of the situation and not really a relevant tangent to take this draft discussion.

fyp

djsFlames · 06-12-2013, 05:00 PM

It'll either be Barkov and Monahan taken at 4/5 which leaves them with Linholm,
Barkov and Lindholm 4/5 to leave them with Monahan, or some combination of Nichuskin/Nurse/Monahan/Lindholm to allow Barkov to magically drop to 6, and again it's a no brainer.

There will be serious question marks only if the player picked isn't any of the three. (Assuming Mack/Drouin/Jones are out of question)

Fairly predictable, but nonetheless still extremely exciting.

Phanuthier · 06-12-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ignite09

I still suspect we trade up to #4 and grab Barkov

This is my guess as well.... they seem really interested in this guy, who is obviously out of their draft range (6th overall)... go to think they're have something up their sleeves if they are putting so much effort into this guy.

moon · 06-12-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ignite09

Too keep this draft oriented, who is it that most feel shouldn't be at the table on draft day? Is this a Feaster problem or are some of you asking for a "scorched earth" approach to getting rid of the scouting staff?

I would see all of them gone, ie Feaster, Button, Weisbrod. Can't see and haven't heard a decent reason to keep any of them all and they all seem to be part of the problem.

moon · 06-12-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

"With the sixth overall pick, the Calgary Flames select Curtis Lazar..."

Haha. Yeah. Honestly though, at our pick I don't think there's a mistake.

Nichuskin scares me.

I won't go crazy if he is the pick but I will be highly skeptical and worried until I see him in an actual Flames jersey giving 100%.

I can't see how they can pass up on 1 of the centers available or Nichuskin. Nurse seems like way too much of a risk to turn out into a top level talent and anyone else just makes no sense to take ahead of Lindholm/Monahan.

Like others I think the choice is made for them as the big 3, Barkov and then Lindholm/Monahan are gone in the top 5.

ignite09 · 06-12-2013, 05:09 PM

What makes you think Weisbrod is part of the problem?

moon · 06-12-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ignite09

What makes you think Weisbrod is part of the problem?

Talk from Feaster and himself in the past about his role in drafting and evaluating non-NHL players. Seems to have a big part in the Pittsburgh return which seems underwhelming, seemed to have a role in the Jankowski pick that I am not found and generally seems to favor NCAA guys (Americans in particular) which I am not a fan of.

Also don't see anything to justify why he should stay on in the time he has been here. Lots of questions and no positives (in my view) seems like an easy reason to get rid of a guy that seems to be a key decision maker in a team that missed the play-offs since he got here and have taken huge steps backwards overall.

Yanda · 06-12-2013, 05:14 PM

Weisbrod is the fall guy, Troy Ward will be the next coach.

moon · 06-12-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanda

Weisbrod is the fall guy, Troy Ward will be the next coach.

Oh god I hope not. Talking about doing 0 to show that he should get an NHL job except for being the AHL guy for the Flames. Can't think any other team would look at what he has done and think there was any reason to bring him to the NHL.

mrdonkey · 06-12-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

Oh god I hope not. Talking about doing 0 to show that he should get an NHL job except for being the AHL guy for the Flames. Can't think any other team would look at what he has done and think there was any reason to bring him to the NHL.

Something similar could be said for many guys currently involved in the organization, if you ask me.

Not the least of which is the guy who currently holds the head coaching job.

djsFlames · 06-12-2013, 05:49 PM

Disagree, the general consensus i've heard from players/people within/outside the organization is that Ward is an extremely intelligent and hardworking coach that is also seen as a 'player's coach' by specifically our better youngsters on the team now that went through abby. Most feel he's destined to get the promotion in the near future. I've literally heard not one negative comment on the guy, and most thoughts on him aren't just good but glowing... so it's tough to argue.

If Hartley really is more of a vet's coach, (which some accused him of being through the season) then we might even be better off with the a like Ward. But I don't even have a solid read on Hartley this far in to say. Didn't hate the job he did, but didn't see much I liked either. The guy needs more time to work with this group, though.

moon · 06-12-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Disagree, the general consensus i've heard from players/people within/outside the organization is that Ward is an extremely intelligent and hardworking coach that is also seen as a 'player's coach' by specifically our better youngsters on the team now that went through abby. Most feel he's destined to get the promotion in the near future. I've literally heard not one negative comment on the guy, and most thoughts on him aren't just good but glowing... so it's tough to argue.

Is that opposed to all the lazy, dumb coaches in the AHL?

Who is saying these things? Was he mentioned or interviewed for a single NHL job so far this offseason, even as a fringe candidate?

Everything I have heard is that he is fine. He record looks fine, his history of working with youth looks fine, his history with the vets looks fine. There is nothing wrong with fine but it seems unlikely to get you on the fasttrack to the NHL.

Ward may make it someday but there is no reason to believe that he should be there in the near future.

djsFlames · 06-12-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Something similar could be said for many guys currently involved in the organization, if you ask me.

Not the least of which is the guy who currently holds the head coaching job.

... Cause championships in each league he's coached isn't proof enough that the guy can coach? He may not be the right one for the Flames' duties, but you can't argue the man's resume. It's better than a good number of current bench bosses.

HighLifeMan · 06-12-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

A lot of people give Feaster a mark for how much better our drafting is all the time actually. We need to wait to see if/how these guys pan out.

By the same token why is ok for people to criticize the returns that Feaster received for Jarome Iginla and Jay Bouwmeester then?

Shouldn't we wait and see how the assets we got in return pan out?

It goes both ways.

moon · 06-12-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

... Cause championships in each league he's coached isn't proof enough that the guy can coach? He may not be the right one for the Flames' duties, but you can't argue the man's resume. It's better than a good number of current bench bosses.

Great he won a title in the vaunted Swiss league and was handed a team that anyone on this board could win with in the NHL. What a stud.

nik- · 06-12-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

By the same token why is ok for people to criticize the returns that Feaster received for Jarome Iginla and Jay Bouwmeester then?

Shouldn't we wait and see how the assets we got in return pan out?

It goes both ways.

If you noticed my post about the good and bad he's done I intentionally left out those two trades for that exact reason.

VladtheImpaler · 06-12-2013, 07:16 PM

Under "stupid" you can add the 2-year extension for Jackman last deadline... Anyhow, got my THN mock draft issue today - noticed they had Lidholm going 9th (Nichushkin 5th and Monahan to us)... They had us taking Pullock and Hartman with the later picks.