2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I assume you are referring to the Coronato + Honzek + 1st proposal.

First, it's never a good argument to say "reminds me of when people said...". Different people say different things, it's not like fans collectively agreed that Mangiapane and Dube were untouchable.

More to the point, the Flames are in a very different place in their life cycle, being early in a rebuild. Trading Coronato (22), Honzek (20) and a 1st for a guy that is already fully matured and signed to an $11.6M cap hit, makes absolutely no sense for this team.

Pettersson, Huberdeau, Kadri and Sharangovich would collectively be making $35M for the next 4 years after this one - does that sound like a core that is going to deliver anything?

Acquire Pettersson, re-sign Andersson (because now you're committed to the present and he probably wants to stay), and re-sign Zary, and the cap space is gone and the rebuild is over. And the Flames are right back to being an old, max-capped, average team.

Terrible, terrible plan.

Reminds me of when someone gave the Canucks an A for the Lindholm trade... lol

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the Flames wanted to be in the game I would think that Rasmus and Zary would be a more attractive package. It would cost the Canucks less money over the next two years which is really a big chunk of their Miller window and they are arguably better players than Byram and Cozens.

I would argue that Rasmus Coleman and the Colorado 2nd would also be a more attractive package for cost and window reasons. Byram and Cozens make around 11 million this year. Next year it will probably be north of 12. Ras and Coleman would make less than 10. If the Flames are any of Ras’s contract it would be even less.

Vancouver might see it the other way where Byrum an Cozens could be 5 plus year assets about to enter their prime who while possibly pop and being able to help them win now and for 3-4 years alongside Quinn Hughes, and J.T.Miller. These would be two local type guys who might relish playing closer to home.

Anderson and Coleman are older, and don't have the upside to be more than what they currently are.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Who are their centers in 2027/2028?

Right now it would be I guess Zary because out of necessity they have moved him to center along with a 37 year old Nazem Kadri and a 38 year old Mikael Backlund. That is a team that does not have great center depth unless they trade for a first line center or sign one as a free agent. That is why I think right now they will be worse in 27/28 than they are right now.

We have 4 picks in the 1st round next 2 drafts we should be able ot grab a few I think.

[CliffFletcher]

Pretty tough on your culture if you move out the popular guy who hates losing and keep the mopey loner.

The assessment isn’t just a matter of Miller vs Pettersson. It’s Miller + the return on a Pettersson deal vs Petterson + the return on a Miller deal, where Miller has full trade protection that would severely limit the trade options.

I expect the Canucks will go with Miller + the return on Pettersson. It would a huge, franchise-shaping trade. But there will be lots of teams in the bidding.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It took me a second to realize you were being very sarcastic. A second longer than it should have.

Bruins are a strange case. The return for Thornton was poor but it did kind of work out in that it opened up the top two center spots for Bergeron and Krejci and freed up the cap space to sign Chara in the offseason. They made up for that poor return for Thornton with the Kessel trade to the Leafs absolutely crushing it, netting Seguin and Hamilton, two players that they also parted ways with early for poor returns while still managing to ice a cup contender. Kind of an exercise on how you can sometimes fail up with poor asset management.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Yup the Bruins went on to win a Cup 5 years later fueled by the players they got for Thornton and then contended for a Cup 13 years later still inspired by the players they picked for Thornton.

They had 0 players from the Thorton trade on the roster when they won the cup.

I actually think Andrew Ference is the only player from that tree that was on the team.

They won with their drafted players doing the heavy lifting. Lucic, Bergeron, Krejci, and Marchand and obviously Timothy Thomas.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Bruins are a strange case. The return for Thornton was poor but it did kind of work out in that it opened up the top two center spots for Bergeron and Krejci and freed up the cap space to sign Chara in the offseason. They made up for that poor return for Thornton with the Kessel trade to the Leafs absolutely crushing it, netting Seguin and Hamilton, two players that they also parted ways with early for poor returns while still managing to ice a cup contender. Kind of an exercise on how you can sometimes fail up with poor asset management.

What a hideous return honestly.

Thorton had more assists than those guys had points combined.

They couldn't find better than Wayne Primeau?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You think the team is going to get worse each year? Pretty sure the goal was to be competitive by 27/28 not worse.

This fluke season is throwing things off, but I don't think they will deviate from the plan.

"Fluke" they are the better team in 60+% of their games

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Fluke" they are the better team in 60+% of their games

Yup its a fluke season. Negative goal difference, almost bottom of the league PK and offence. Can hardly muster any high danger chances for.

We are riding a goalie for everything he has.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Hard to believe that Vancouver management would favour a guy who will be turning 32 in two months over a guy that turned 26 two months ago.

I wonder who Hughes favours.

I think where they see the team right now will also be a big part of the decision. If they think they can win a Stanley cup in the next 2 years they would certainly keep miller. Maybe they don’t think they have the pieces to do it right in the next couple, at which point I would probably lean to Peterson staying. It’s not like if they trade miller they won’t get some good value back.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"Fluke" they are the better team in 60+% of their games

They have won 35% of their games in regulation and have a double digit negative goal differential. They are bottom 3 on the pk and face offs, bottom half on the power play, 25th overall in goals. This season is a mirage in the grand scope of things in my opinion. Way better than I thought but long term there are still many issues that need to be sorted and being stuck in the middle doesn’t help a ton.

I won’t complain about winning but I do not see a team capable of a deep playoff run with the roster they have unless it is completely on the back of Wolf where he puts up 04 Kipper kind of numbers.

[Harry Lime]

I think that Petterson has to be a second line center, to be sheltered and not put in a leadership role. That's where he would thrive. That means that an acquiring team would have to have an established #1, and a potential hole in #2. (I didn't mean to write it the way that sounds)

Florida putting him on the wing for a season, and then letting him go after winning a second cup?

The Islanders trading Nelson and slotting him in behind Horvat?

[Enoch Root]

This team is not a fluke. Are they a well structured team that is ready to compete? No. But they are coming by their wins honestly, it isn't like they are on a PDO heater.

They are what they are: a team with little top end talent, but lots of depth, that works hard and can stay close in enough hockey games to keep them in the bubble.

[dino7c]

Say what you like about the deserve to win o meter but very rarely do they win the game and lose there.

In their OT wins and losses they are usually the better team they just dont have the high end to put it away.

They have beaten NJ, Edmonton, Florida ect. In games they absolutely controlled and deserved. I dont apologize for good goaltending...they are part of the team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

People are going to have to realize pretty quick here that this team isn’t getting much worse than it is, so it might be worth figuring out how to get better without that step.

I still think they are going to be worse next year than they are this year. That is a long way away and we shall see, but I think it's too early to try and start adding to this team. The core is flawed. Their primary forwards are all in their 30s, and will be declining before any serious help can be brought in.

You add to a team when you have a core that you can build around, a core that is in their prime or - preferably - just entering their prime. The Flames have no one that is early in their prime except Andersson and maybe Sharangovich. They simply don't have a core of players to add to.

The Flames have old players and young players (with little in the middle). They need to remain focused on adding youth and building a future core.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This team is not a fluke. Are they a well structured team that is ready to compete? No. But they are coming by their wins honestly, it isn't like they are on a PDO heater.

They are what they are: a team with little top end talent, but lots of depth, that works hard and can stay close in enough hockey games to keep them in the bubble.

They are also a team that has 6 of their top 8 scorers who would be considered veterans and outside of Andersson at 29 they are all 31-35/36 years old. The veterans who carry them today will not be able to do this for many more years.

They have the makings of a decent team that needs some high end talent to enter the system. I would rather pick high in 26 than 25 if I could only choose 1.

This is a below average team who are playing extremely hard for each other but 37 games in we have already had Coleman state it is a tough style to play for an entire season.

[Bonded]

I think any team in a playoff spot with a negative goal differential are lucky to be there and will get bounced in the first round. I give it a 90% chance that it will be a waste of 7 days if they manage to make it in.

[Enoch Root]

The other thing about adding Pettersson, or making the shift to adding to this team as a opposed to continuing to rebuild is: while the goaltending has been great, and Wolf is looking like everything we hoped he could be, people need to remember that he is still being sheltered by Huska (another reason why Huska is doing a great job).

Lots of people calling for Wolf to play more, but for a kid his age, it is better to acclimatize to the NHL slowly. Huska is only giving him half the games, and most of those are at home, where the Flames have been pretty damn terrific most of the time. Which I believe is great coaching.

All this talk that the Flames aren't going to get any worse, and we should start adding, assumes that Wolf can carry the load as a #1. IMO, it is too early to throw that on him. This is still his first full season in the NHL. Huska is doing it right, and we need to remain patient.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think any team in a playoff spot with a negative goal differential are lucky to be there and will get bounced in the first round. I give it a 90% chance that it will be a waste of 7 days if they manage to make it in.

Washington was -37 goal difference last year and made the playoffs and proceeded to get swept in the 1st round.

This is a fluke season; they are almost bottom of the league in most stats. We are being led by 30 plus players which isn't a winning formula going forward.

Pretty much a worst-case scenario playing out.

[Jiggy]

Bit of an awkward question....asking for a friend here. Nothing to do with rumors.

If Bingo is not taking the bottle of Whiskey, who is?