2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I just don’t see any situation where Miller is the better bet for Vancouver. Maybe for a team that’s a cup contender he’s the smarter grab, but because Vancouver aren’t there yet, the chances of EP contributing when they are feels higher than Miller.

Would we rather trade Zary or Kadri?

Well you are comparing a 23 year old to a 34 year old not 26 to 31 but I see your point. I could also see Vancouver shopping both players and trying to understand what each brings in a return. Pettersson without a NMC in effect and due to his age should bring back the better return but turning a 30+ asset with more than 5 years left on his big money contract into something positive is also a win.

Rutherford had a timeline on when he wanted Vancouver to win and I believe it was rather absurd considering where they were when he took over and I think it was only a couple of years.

[Badgers Nose]

There's definitely a cautionary tale in how Rutherford misjudged where his team was at in their rebuild. Looks like the wheels are falling off.

No sympathy here. Same for NYR, they'll have to reset that team soon too because of their dumb GM. Good!

I'm still keen to see the Flames move out some players that are not in the long term plans. I respect Rasmus has until summer to think about whether he extends or not, but if a team pays Conroy's price then I think he should do the deal and not risk a distraction next season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I just don’t see any situation where Miller is the better bet for Vancouver. Maybe for a team that’s a cup contender he’s the smarter grab, but because Vancouver aren’t there yet, the chances of EP contributing when they are feels higher than Miller.

Would we rather trade Zary or Kadri?

32-year-old 1st line centers are not winning Stanley cups. It's a terrible move to make in many levels.

Sometimes it takes a bit longer to mature and hit your stride. Look at Barkov, I really didn't notice him in the 23 playoffs, and he dominated in the 24 playoffs and shut down McDavid.

Miller doesn't seem like a good teammate either.

[Royle9]

From what I've heard, Vancouver sees Miller as the "pulse" of the team.
He's liked far more in that room than Petey apparently.

He's more like the Dougie museum flames equivalent where he just likes to be left alone to do as he pleases, and not be apart of the "bro" bonding etc.

This is why I believe they'll move on from him rather than Miller.

[Bonded]

If Conroy can turn Kadri + Andersson into Pettersson he should get a statue built lol

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Conroy can turn Kadri + Andersson into Pettersson he should get a statue built lol

In our conversation I said Kadri and Weegar no mention of Andersson in that deal. Weegar has 6 more years left on a great contract where Andersson is a year away from a bigger and longer deal.

I would argue Weegar is our best veteran by far so would be tough to give him and Kadri up who are fierce competitors for a guy where they do not question his skill but question his motivation and gaf meter.

[Badgers Nose]

There's a near zero chance Conroy experiments with the team chemistry to that degree (Weegar and Kadri).

He wants to spend draft capital and cap space to help them team, or deal from a position of strength (defence prospects and backup goalie). He's been pretty clear about that and doesn't seem like the kind of guy that changes direction because something shinny comes by. Elias is not Eichel. This is not a back the truck up moment.

But if cap relief and futures gets it done? Hell yeah. Does anyone really believe that though?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, let's assume they trade for Pettersson and not give up any first round picks.

With 4 picks in the next two years, you expect them to draft some elite players, when we already now picks this year are quite high. No reason to expect the 2026 picks to be anything else.

Of course, I cannot imagine any trade of Pettersson to the Flames, much less one without a first round pick involved.

This team will not be bad enough this year and probably not next year to get an elite center or even a top 5 pick. They could be bad enough in 26/27 and will almost certainly be bad enough in 27/28 and 28/29 to get those elite players, given the age of their current centers and the lack of any centers in the system. Assuming no trade for a top 6 center they could get those studs by the end of the decade and be competing again by 2032. That would be the timeline I see without a trade for a top line center, just based on how long it takes centers to develop, assuming they don’t draft a bust.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

In our conversation I said Kadri and Weegar no mention of Andersson in that deal. Weegar has 6 more years left on a great contract where Andersson is a year away from a bigger and longer deal.

I would argue Weegar is our best veteran by far so would be tough to give him and Kadri up who are fierce competitors for a guy where they do not question his skill but question his motivation and gaf meter.

I could have put it as Andersson/Weegar + Kadri and still think the same. I think Kadri has very little trade to zero trade value and turning a 30 year old #2/3 dman into a #1C is an easy trade. I probably like Pettersson more than most do on here though.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This team will not be bad enough this year and probably not next year to get an elite center or even a top 5 pick. They could be bad enough in 26/27 and will almost certainly be bad enough in 27/28 and 28/29 to get those elite players, given the age of their current centers and the lack of any centers in the system. Assuming no trade for a top 6 center they could get those studs by the end of the decade and be competing again by 2032. That would be the timeline I see without a trade for a top line center, just based on how long it takes centers to develop, assuming they don’t draft a bust.

I think they could be bad next year especially if Andersson is gone. It just takes Wolf to have a sophomore slump and they are bottom 5.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think they could be bad next year especially if Andersson is gone. It just takes Wolf to have a sophomore slump and they are bottom 5.

This team is 100% propped up by our defense and goaltending.

[Ashasx]

Hard to believe that Vancouver management would favour a guy who will be turning 32 in two months over a guy that turned 26 two months ago.

I wonder who Hughes favours.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This team will not be bad enough this year and probably not next year to get an elite center or even a top 5 pick. They could be bad enough in 26/27 and will almost certainly be bad enough in 27/28 and 28/29 to get those elite players, given the age of their current centers and the lack of any centers in the system. Assuming no trade for a top 6 center they could get those studs by the end of the decade and be competing again by 2032. That would be the timeline I see without a trade for a top line center, just based on how long it takes centers to develop, assuming they don’t draft a bust.

You think the team is going to get worse each year? Pretty sure the goal was to be competitive by 27/28 not worse.

This fluke season is throwing things off, but I don't think they will deviate from the plan.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Hard to believe that Vancouver management would favour a guy who will be turning 32 in two months over a guy that turned 26 two months ago.

I wonder who Hughes favours.

It is like Boston trading a 26 yr old Joe Thornton.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It is like Boston trading a 26 yr old Joe Thornton.

And yet Thornton went on to win zero cups, and the Bruins went on to be a championship team and perennial contender.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You think the team is going to get worse each year? Pretty sure the goal was to be competitive by 27/28 not worse.

This fluke season is throwing things off, but I don't think they will deviate from the plan.

Who are their centers in 2027/2028?

Right now it would be I guess Zary because out of necessity they have moved him to center along with a 37 year old Nazem Kadri and a 38 year old Mikael Backlund. That is a team that does not have great center depth unless they trade for a first line center or sign one as a free agent. That is why I think right now they will be worse in 27/28 than they are right now.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Hard to believe that Vancouver management would favour a guy who will be turning 32 in two months over a guy that turned 26 two months ago.

I wonder who Hughes favours.

It's hard to say from our vantage point. If the locker room really supports Miller and Pettersson is not as popular what happens to the room if they move out the popular guy? Ultimately Canucks management knows these details and will have to make a decision one way or another if this rift is something that needs to come to a head.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

And yet Thornton went on to win zero cups, and the Bruins went on to be a championship team and perennial contender.

Yup the Bruins went on to win a Cup 5 years later fueled by the players they got for Thornton and then contended for a Cup 13 years later still inspired by the players they picked for Thornton.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Yup the Bruins went on to win a Cup 5 years later fueled by the players they got for Thornton and then contended for a Cup 13 years later still inspired by the players they picked for Thornton.

yeah, the trade in isolation was ####e, but it didn't seem to hurt the bruins at all in the long run.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Yup the Bruins went on to win a Cup 5 years later fueled by the players they got for Thornton and then contended for a Cup 13 years later still inspired by the players they picked for Thornton.

It took me a second to realize you were being very sarcastic. A second longer than it should have.